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p.6 #1 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Jochenb wrote:
That focus ring looks like a rubber one. I like metal ones, because rubber often starts to look ugly after some time.


Certainly, and they also start to get loose as the glue dries, but the metal focusing rings are the first thing that I disliked on the new Zeiss lines. The grip was less firm, and I much prefer the Contax rubber rings.



Sep 07, 2012 at 05:35 AM
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p.6 #2 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


AhamB wrote:
But that's an argumant against a Distagon design, not for it. 55mm could just be a Planar design.


Of course it is. My argument was just for 55mm beeing easier than 45mm.
But if size and cost are not important, the Distagon has advantages compared to the Planar. Already mentioned are less vignetting and more telecentricity which can be important with very high density sensors.
Additionally I think that die retrofocus design gives more space to fit more elements into the design which can be used to correct aberations. The (nearly) symmetric Planar has no room for more elements between aperture and mirror without making it less symmetric and thus an Distagon design. I am not entirely sure about this theory but to me it sounds reasonable to me.



Sep 07, 2012 at 05:39 AM
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p.6 #3 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Thinking some more about this lens, I’m reminded of the super-speed cine lenses Glatzel developed under his concept of ‘relaxation.’ Those lenses, also branded Distagons, were retrofocus derivatives, but they didn’t look much like simple reversed telephotos of the Horace Lee or Pierre Angénieux variety.

Optical relaxation distributes optical problems throughout several lens groups, with little regard for the resulting physical length of the lens. This gives the designer additional degrees of freedom to correct aberrations. Obviously it’s only used if size, weight, and cost are secondary to optical performance.

If Zeiss wanted to make a splash with a new high-performance lens range, an f/1.4 normal would be a good place to start. Typically the 50 mm f/1.4 at full aperture has the worst image quality of any lens in a manufacturer’s catalogue. The shorter f/1.4 lenses (24–35 mm) are very sophisticated designs with better full-aperture performance, and the longer f/1.4 lenses (75–85 mm) are easier to design because they have a narrower angle of view, so they too tend to have better full-aperture performance.

The double-Gauss type has been incredibly successful for fast normal lenses, because it’s small, relatively inexpensive, and offers very high optical performance at typical working apertures. For low-cost 50 mm lenses of around f/2 it offers overwhelming advantages.

But for lenses of f/1.4 or faster, there are very considerable problems. First, these lenses don’t naturally provide the 38 mm back-focus needed for SLRs. This has to be forced on them at the optimisation stage, which is why SLR fifties look and perform slightly differently to rangefinder fifties.

Second, spherical aberration becomes an extreme problem, such that the designer is forced to split the rear element into two (Planar, Canon) or three (Nikkor) elements of less curvature. Also essential are glasses of higher refractive index to allow elements of less curvature, again to contain spherical aberration. High-index glass can be very expensive, so f/1.4 fifties are typically much more expensive than f/1.8 or f/2 lenses.

Third, severe vignetting is both unavoidable and desirable to reduce aberrations, but obviously undesirable for many photographs.

And fourth (this isn’t comprehensive, so I wish I hadn’t started numbering these), distortion control becomes problematic, often resulting in distortion greater than the 1% that’s often considered unnoticeable.

Let’s make it five: lateral chromatic aberration, almost invisible in f/2 double-Gauss lenses, becomes clearly visible in f/1.4 lenses.

A Distagon with Zeiss’ optical relaxation could deliver substantially better performance in these areas, depending on where the design priorities lie.



Sep 07, 2012 at 05:45 AM
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p.6 #4 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Apo Sonnar 2/135 is official: zeiss blog


Sep 07, 2012 at 06:42 AM
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p.6 #5 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


As expected. After the 25/2, this is the second Zeiss design for Sony modified for other mounts.


Sep 07, 2012 at 06:46 AM
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p.6 #6 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Nice. I'm sure it is probably better than the 135ZA, like the 25/2, but for me in body IS and AF are very welcome. But then, it's clearly not aimed at me... I'd happily buy manual Zeiss glass though, just for a smaller system.. speaking of which, I am intrigued by what the CSC Zeiss stuff is...


Sep 07, 2012 at 06:49 AM
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p.6 #7 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


edwardkaraa wrote:
As expected. After the 25/2, this is the second Zeiss design for Sony modified for other mounts.


I don't know if you can really speak of an modified 135 ZA. The video shows the massive barrel extension while the Sony has internal focusing. The different min. focus distance (0.8 / 0.72) with same magnificationof 1:4 is another hint.



Sep 07, 2012 at 06:57 AM
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p.6 #8 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


potz wrote:
I don't know if you can really speak of an modified 135 ZA. The video shows the massive barrel extension while the Sony has internal focusing. The different min. focus distance (0.8 / 0.72) with same magnificationof 1:4 is another hint.


Internal focusing is a necessity for AF. I'm not sure how much of a coincidence to have a ZA 24/2 versus ZE 25/2, and ZA 135/1.8 vs ZE 135/2. I'm not saying the lenses are similar, because they aren't, but I'm sure Zeiss is minimizing some design costs no doubt. By the way, the 2 distagons also have different number of elements, but the performance is amazingly similar, together with the same shortcomings too.



Sep 07, 2012 at 07:03 AM
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p.6 #9 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


What is it with Zeiss marketing, its like Oh Geez, I dunno ...what is it?

&feature=player_embedded

The portrait of the kid ...OMG
Animals at the zoo ...lol what the hell is that.

...a popstar on a far away stage ...WHAT?




Sep 07, 2012 at 08:30 AM
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p.6 #10 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


The MTFs of the ZA 24/2 and ZE 25/2 are different, granted one was computed and the other was measured. Generally, I liked the 24/2 on FF, it's just the astigmatism around 1/4 out from the center frame that really bugs me. And I don't see such behavior on the 25/2.
I'm excited with this new APO lens, the very first in the new Zeiss line-up. Hopefully, they can push it to be the equal of the two Leica 180 APOs. The new high performance line is very intriguing as well. Time to save my pennies.



Sep 07, 2012 at 08:52 AM
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p.6 #11 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


OneAnt wrote:
What is it with Zeiss marketing, its like Oh Geez, I dunno ...what is it?

&feature=player_embedded

The portrait of the kid ...OMG
Animals at the zoo ...lol what the hell is that.

...a popstar on a far away stage ...WHAT?



, can they find a better engineer to do the job?



Sep 07, 2012 at 08:56 AM
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p.6 #12 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


You know, all this talk make me wish Canon would pull their finger out of their collective *** and give us some really good 50/1.4 MK II with really good AF (ring USM and IF design like the 85/1.8) and really good IQ.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Sep 07, 2012 at 01:54 PM
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p.6 #13 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Carl Zeiss preparing 55mm F1.4 for DSLRs and family of lenses for mirrorless:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/07/Carl-Zeiss-preparing-Distagon-55mm-F1-4-for-Canon-Nikon-lenses-for-mirrorless-system-cameras




Sep 07, 2012 at 02:25 PM
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p.6 #14 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Due to their performance and high speed, these new lenses will be ideal for deliberate photo composition, making them perfect for more sophisticated photographers as well.

I was wondering, what exactly is "deliberate photo composition"? While I consider my English to be rather good, it is not my native language so there's always room for improvement.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Sep 07, 2012 at 02:36 PM
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p.6 #15 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


I think it is a veiled insult at sloppy composers I don't know either. Maybe it is their way of saying "photographers who look in the corners of their photos".


Sep 07, 2012 at 02:52 PM
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p.6 #16 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


82mm filter thread on that Zeiss 55 f/1.4!




Sep 07, 2012 at 02:57 PM
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p.6 #17 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


so this 55 lens is the AF lens?


Sep 07, 2012 at 03:47 PM
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p.6 #18 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


Light_pilgrim wrote:
so this 55 lens is the AF lens?


Just read the announcement!!!! How difficult can it be.

"A must-see attraction is a high-performance, full-format SLR camera lens with manual focus. With a focal length of 55 mm and aperture of f/1.4, this lens is the first model of a new product family designed for demanding users."




Sep 07, 2012 at 04:07 PM
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p.6 #19 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


'I was wondering, what exactly is "deliberate photo composition"?'
One word answer: tripod.

Ant, I have the impression Herr Schiehlen is at the extreme other end of the spectrum from you, lol. But jeezers nose, they know their stuff.




Sep 07, 2012 at 06:20 PM
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p.6 #20 · Zeiss: new lenses at photokina


I would love a 55mm lens that actually performed at f1.4 however Im not sure if I need another manual focus lens. I already have four ZEs.

It would be great if Zeiss could make a 'pro' level series with AF and nice smooth manual focus.



Sep 07, 2012 at 06:58 PM
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