AmbientMike wrote:
Get an enlarger and some fiber base paper too!
And a timer, and a red light, and some trays, and lots of chemicals, and some way to route water through it, and tongs, and somewhere to hang paper to dry without getting dusty, and lots of black paint, and...
Or just scan for now, and wait with the darkroom until you have fallen irretrievably in love with film.
Gyroscope wrote:
Yes I would be talking about using ONLY black and white and shooting the most fine grained best black and white film I can get.
That is such a waste! Fine grained B&W is fine but you can have some amazing, gritty B&W landscapes with TriX and Delta 3200. And colour film on 6x7 has a very different look to a FF digital file (and is like night and day with a crop sensor) you'd be missing out if you never tried it.
Timer is a clock, seems like I put something red over a light bulb, tra,ys are cheap so are chemicalsSome way to route water through it tray in the bottom of sink. I never painted anything black i just turned out the lights. Get a changing bag for film.
It's a pain but it's not that hard. I always sent the film out so you can't really screw anything up but prints and those get screwed up anyway.
Wish ya'll were local we could set one up! Happy to give opinion if you want I doubt its that expensive.
There used to be rental darkrooms around. Used to be one in D.C. suburbs. And used one at local camera shop one time.
CMS needs a SPUR developer or to be run incredibly slow (like, 6 iso in rodinal) to control it's immense contrast. I would not personally trust a lab with it.
in 6x7 lens resolution is a bit of an issue given how large the image circle of the lens is. however, that won't change the nice tonality and imperceptible grain.
I had a P67, it was superb, the lenses were clear as a fine jewel. having enlargements made was always a breathtaking experience. And keeping the Kodak 400 film in the cooler normal procedure. I got it because the enlargements from my Nikons just did not do it in terms of image quality. Making Cibachromes helped, but nothing compared to the 67 enlargements. And it was almost affordable.
But the digital solutions are superior, imho, for all the reasons you have read about film vs digital.
If you can afford it get all the P67 gear you can because it is disappearing. And contact the Pentax store for the 67 to 35mm adapter, they also have a 67 to 645 adapter. So, now you can use the 67 lenses in 35mm and the 645 digital monster. KEH had some 67 lenses, including a big boy 600mm at a very low price. It is a work of art - http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/600mm.shtml
The 67 v2 has a sculpted grip and aperture priority, it is BETTER than the 67 traditional with cds metering in the prism. It is beautiful. Several clients told me that the 67 is what a camera should look like, and they did pay their bills no questions.
You seem to have your sights set on the Pentax, and that's fine. But know yee, that the 43mm on the Mamiya 7 is a much better lens, and if you're looking for ultimate sharpness then that is the lens/camera to own. And if you're even thinking of handholding under 1/60 (and still expecting nice sharp negs) then the P67 is not the right choice...
redisburning wrote:
in 6x7 lens resolution is a bit of an issue given how large the image circle of the lens is. however, that won't change the nice tonality and imperceptible grain.
The Mamiya 7 lenses are superior to just about anything out there in terms of lens sharpness, just because the camera is a rangefinder and also because Mamiya went all out with the lenses. There just isn't much in the way of variety, whereas the Pentax system has an array of focal lengths available.
TMAX should give you similar results in terms of resolution, though obviously with a very different look.
P67 lenses are plenty sharp enough, but to take advantage of the resolution your lenses need to significantly exceed the 120 lp/mm that tmax is capable of delivering and CPerez' tests on two of the lenses indicates that's not really the case with that system for some of the more common lenses. note that this is not in any way to suggest the lenses are crappy.
now, I would love to see a test of some of the later lenses. if you're going to go for the 75/2.8 or the ED teles then perhaps there is resolution to be gained. The 105/2.4, which I think is a GREAT lens, I just don't see it doing much better than that 120 you can get with TMAX or Delta.
redisburning wrote:
TMAX should give you similar results in terms of resolution, though obviously with a very different look.
P67 lenses are plenty sharp enough, but to take advantage of the resolution your lenses need to significantly exceed the 120 lp/mm that tmax is capable of delivering and CPerez' tests on two of the lenses indicates that's not really the case with that system for some of the more common lenses. note that this is not in any way to suggest the lenses are crappy.
now, I would love to see a test of some of the later lenses. if you're going to go for the 75/2.8 or the ED teles then perhaps there is resolution to be gained. The 105/2.4, which I think is a GREAT lens, I just don't see it doing much better than that 120 you can get with TMAX or Delta....Show more →
That makes sense. Thanks
Luminosity, yeah Petax has a ridiculous amount of glass available, but in the wide end Mamiya comes pretty close (43, 50, 65, 80).
I'd love to try out some of Pentax's fast long lens (800mm f/4 sounds hot, 400mm f/4 seems like an awesome long portrait lens...)
I only own the 65/4 and it does most of what I need. Not that I can afford to get anything more, but if I did, it's a tough call between the 80 and 150.
luminosity wrote:
I only own the 65/4 and it does most of what I need. Not that I can afford to get anything more, but if I did, it's a tough call between the 80 and 150.
The 150mm is one of the most challenging lenses to use in that system, but I think it may be the highest resolving lens in the system.
redisburning wrote:
now, I would love to see a test of some of the later lenses. if you're going to go for the 75/2.8 or the ED teles then perhaps there is resolution to be gained. The 105/2.4, which I think is a GREAT lens, I just don't see it doing much better than that 120 you can get with TMAX or Delta.
The latest version (I think v4?) of the 55mm is nuts. Also the 400mm is crazy as well.
Some way to route water through it tray in the bottom of sink. I never painted anything black i just turned out the lights. Get a changing bag for film.
What does that mean?