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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


Hello to the forum!

The aperture of my Sigma 500 F4.5 APO moves slowly, so I guess that the aperture blades are oily although no oil on the blades is visible. I want to remove the aperture for cleaning. The question is, how to disemble the lens until I can remove the aperure. The lens is the old non-EX version.
Lens overview with labled sections

I have started to disassemble the lens from the backside. I have removed the mount, but behind I can not find any screws that are obviously the right ones to remove the next lens section.
Lens mount removed
I hope to be able to remove the whole section 1 to access section 2 where the aperture is located.
Does anybody know how to go on? Is it possible at all to remove the aperture from the backside? I have searched the internet but haven't found any useful hints or service manuals.



Jun 12, 2012 at 04:00 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


This is a job for a qualified sevice technician.


Jun 12, 2012 at 05:06 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


OP,
You may try to strengthen the spring (6 o'clock) by finding a stronger spring (or shorten the current one).

http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_004a_kl.jpg



Jun 12, 2012 at 05:50 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


debuggerus wrote:
OP,
You may try to strengthen the spring (6 o'clock) by finding a stronger spring (or shorten the current one)...


But this operation could result in bigger force needed for the camera to move the iris - which could result in camera damage sooner or later.

I reccomend to search for the cause of the slow iris operation. It could probably be this spring - but I suppose not. There could be grease / oil on one part of the iris mechanics and linkage. Is this lens yours since years? Or didīt you know its history?
On a fresh bought lens it could be even possible that such slow operation is the result of a not correct repair / inside cleaning.




Jun 13, 2012 at 08:20 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


May be the metal ring, that lies under the brass one ( that moves with the iris ) need some silicone grease.


Jun 13, 2012 at 09:05 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


Thank you for all the replies. Strenghtening the spring does not solve the problem. The mechanism controlled by the visible spring is coupled to a lever of a second system, controlled by a second spring (not visible in this status of disassembling). If I decouple the two mechanisms and move the lever of the second mechanism, the aperture still moves slowly. By the way, that property changes. Sometimes the aperture works well, sometimes not.

I still hope that the reason is somwhere in the mechanism before it comes to the aperture itself. The screws for the next step of disassembling are identified now*, but my screwdriver is broken. I have to buy a new one before continuing. Cleaning and giving new grease to the mechanism would be the favourite solution of course.

I bought the lens last automn and got a discount for the aperture problem (which the seller did not notice). I don't know much about it's history.

*As this lens is rare, I posted the question on another forum too. There I got a reply (with image) which screws have to be removed next:
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/sigma-500-f45-apo-clean-aperture_topic88451.html



Jun 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM
 

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


I made a step forward in disassembling the lens. First the lens overview:
http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_009_mit_Zahlen_kl.jpg


When I looked at the lens today, I noticed that the transition between section 1 and 2 looked like it is a scrwed on metal sheeting pipe. I gripped it firmly and really could screw it off.
http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_018a_kl.jpg

http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_015kl.jpg


It seems that my lens is from 1991:
http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_016kl.jpg

Besides of some dirt, now 6 screws are visible. 3 that hold the tread where the shielding pipe was mounted and 3 that likely have to be removed to detatch that lens section. Unfortunately, two of the 3 screws have damaged heads. Obviously, someone has been working here before. Now I have to find out, how to remove these screws that are mounted firmly / tight. Warming up might cause some grease in the mechanics to flow, so I hesitate to do that. Drilling out the screw and cutting a new thread also sounds not very attractive to me.
http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_020a_kl.jpg



Jun 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


How much did you pay for the lens if you don't mind my asking?
You guys that disassemble lenses have my respect. I'd be scared to do that and how would I ever be sure that the optical alignment/collimation would be correct after all the tinkering?

Btw, I have the same lens but I've only used it about twice or so and probably need to get rid of it. (hint, hint)




Jun 16, 2012 at 06:18 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


I originally paid 850 Euro but got a discount of 200 Euro because of the aperture problem, so it was only 650 Euro. I also had the choice to return it.

HopeIsEternal wrote:
how would I ever be sure that the optical alignment/collimation would be correct after all the tinkering?


The rear lens group is usually mounted as one piece in a position that can not be changed. So the risk is not so high. I would not remove any lens in front of the aperture. I also would not tinker on a precious zoom lens, they are mechanically much more complicated.





Jun 16, 2012 at 07:57 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


I had no time to gon on with work on the lens during the past two weeks, but today I did the next little step. I removed the 4 screws that fixed the cover to the next lens section (section 2). Now it is easier to access the screws with the rotten heads. After closing all openings of the lens, I have put e little MOS 2 oil around that srews. Now it has to react for a while. Afterwards, I will try to hammer a slot in the damaged screw heads.

A few imges:
http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_029kl.jpg


http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_031acrkl.jpg


http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_027kl.jpg


http://www.sonyuserforum.de/galerie/data/media/6/Sigma500Zerlegung_028kl.jpg


As this lens is rare, I have posted this on several forums to get a more input. Here are the links:

In English:
Dyxum

In German:
Minolta-Forum

Sonyuserforum



Jul 01, 2012 at 06:52 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Sigma 500mm f4.5 APO sticky aperture


I have this same lans! I haven't opened it or anything but I sure like it! Awesome lens! I'm about to sell mine tho. Need the money.

Sorry no help - just a note of encouragement!

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/Sigma_500_f4.5_APO/_1060216_Sigma_APO_500mm_f4.5.jpg



http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/Sigma_500_f4.5_APO/_1060239_Sigma_APO_500mm_f4.5.jpg



http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Image_By_Lens/Sigma_500_f4.5_APO/_1060242_Sigma_APO_500mm_f4.5.jpg






Jul 02, 2012 at 05:24 AM







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