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Archive 2012 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M

  
 
edwardkaraa
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p.1 #1 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Just for fun, I did a little hand-held comparison:

Zeiss Ikon Provia 100F ZM 35/2 and GXR-M ZM 25/2.8.

Both files minimally processed in PSE.

Zeiss Ikon ZM 35/2 Biogon RDP III

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/40/663640.jpg


GXR-M ZM 25/2.8 Biogon

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/41/663641.jpg

Two crops to see the detail difference. Interesting that the color response to similar conditions is so different.

Note that the scan is 18mp while the GXR is 12 mp (but pixel density is equivalent to around 31mp FF).

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/51/663651.jpg

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/52/663652.jpg

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/53/663653.jpg

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/54/663654.jpg



May 20, 2012 at 02:19 PM
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p.1 #2 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Is there a reason why you didn't remove the incredible blue cast on the film shot?


May 20, 2012 at 03:04 PM
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p.1 #3 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


AhamB wrote:
Is there a reason why you didn't remove the incredible blue cast on the film shot?


Yes, with slide film, I usually try to stay as faithful as possible to the original image, even if like in this case it has a strong blue cast due to the weather conditions.



May 20, 2012 at 03:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Bit opposite thinking. Have you tried to mimic film with GXR? Tones seem really close, except missing that lovely blue veil.

Nice comparsion btw.



May 20, 2012 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #5 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Mescalamba wrote:
Bit opposite thinking. Have you tried to mimic film with GXR? Tones seem really close, except missing that lovely blue veil.

Nice comparsion btw.


Thanks!

I don't have any film presets, or software like DXO or Nik, but anyhow when I want the film look I shoot film

The GXR has its own look which is quite attractive in its own right.



May 21, 2012 at 02:51 AM
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p.1 #6 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Thanks for the comparison, I always enjoy these.

One question on the blue - what do you mean by the weather conditions? Everything appears to be in direct sunlight so I don't understand the cool color temperature shift. Could it be the scan, or is the emulsion actually this blue? I've heard of Provia going blue in shadows but this seems sort of extreme. (Sorry for all the questions, but I was considering Provia for daylight portrait and this looks kind of scary).

Thanks!

Ken



May 21, 2012 at 03:02 AM
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p.1 #7 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Don't worry, Ken. Provia is beautiful for portraits. It produces very natural and appealing skin tones. On the same emulsion, I have some very nice photos taken in direct sunlight, but none that are relevant for this comparison. You know, in this part of the world, we have some days with extremely high UV. I guess skin cancer must be considered as a real possibility Even the GXR file was originally quite blue (though not as much as the slide) but I stupidly corrected it. I should have kept it as is.


May 21, 2012 at 03:44 AM
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p.1 #8 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


edwardkaraa wrote:
Even the GXR file was originally quite blue (though not as much as the slide) but I stupidly corrected it. I should have kept it as is.


You didn't shoot jpeg and changed the WB on the original, did you? I.e. couldn't you repost the GXR image with original WB?



May 21, 2012 at 05:55 AM
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p.1 #9 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


So shouldn't you be using a UV filter then on the Ikon? The GXR looks much more appealing and 'real', beyond the better resolved details.


May 21, 2012 at 06:03 AM
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p.1 #10 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


AhamB wrote:
You didn't shoot jpeg and changed the WB on the original, did you? I.e. couldn't you repost the GXR image with original WB?


What would be the point? Digital has no fixed white balance. I process digital to my liking while I Iike to preserve the original look of slide film



May 21, 2012 at 06:06 AM
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p.1 #11 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


jotdeh wrote:
So shouldn't you be using a UV filter then on the Ikon? The GXR looks much more appealing and 'real', beyond the better resolved details.

I have UV filters on all lenses. It's just the film response to this situation. Btw, I am not trying to make film look better, or vice versa. Just my normal workflow. As mentioned in the starting post, it's just for fun. Don't take it too seriously guys



May 21, 2012 at 06:09 AM
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p.1 #12 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


I'm just surprised by the strong blue cast... even more so now you say you are using a UV filter already - then again I only have minimal experience with (slide) film.


May 21, 2012 at 06:12 AM
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p.1 #13 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


The dusk/dawn shot is beautiful!


May 21, 2012 at 06:43 AM
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p.1 #14 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


mirkoc wrote:
The dusk/dawn shot is beautiful!

Yes! Nice colors



May 21, 2012 at 07:07 AM
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p.1 #15 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


edwardkaraa wrote:
And GXR shot with ACR default settings.

It's obvious that color response is different. That is why some people love the film look, but it's not suitable for all scenes. Some look good, some don't.


I've been playing with the Kodachrome presets (for LR/ACR) that were linked to in a thread some time ago: http://x-equals.com/blog/?p=7163
I quite like the results, but like you say, it's not suitable for everything. Sometimes the colors just look too weird.



May 21, 2012 at 07:18 AM
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p.1 #16 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Mirko and Jotdeh, thanks!

AhamB, exactly! This is my experience with slide film. Colors are mostly beautiful but in some situations it just doesn't work. Unlike negative film, changing WB does not normally produce acceptable results.



May 21, 2012 at 07:32 AM
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p.1 #17 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


re: first 2 crops:

Does the Provia film grain (vs the GXR digital) make you think twice about shooting film?

(I'm still shooting film.)




May 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM
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p.1 #18 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


In the contrary, I hardly use the GXR because the files look sterile. I love the film grain. It looks organic.


May 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM
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p.1 #19 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


edward, the more you post, the more i think i need to load my film M up and shoot some transparencies.

thanks for taking the time to share - if only all film/digital comparisons were so civil!



May 21, 2012 at 01:20 PM
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p.1 #20 · Zeiss Ikon vs. GXR-M


Thank you Mike for your nice comments! Greatly appreciated.


May 21, 2012 at 01:48 PM
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