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p.1 #1 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Just wondering how many A900/850 users have jumped ship to Nikon for the D800.
I left Nikon for the A900 because of the $8000 price tag of the D3x, and the fact that I got the A900 for a screaming deal in Canada.
I love the A900, but I have little faith that the Sony imaging division know's what it's doing regarding FF development. How can you state you're committed to FF when there isn't a FF camera currently in the catalog?

For those who have made the jump, please let us know how the transition went, and how the cameras compare.
Thanks.



May 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #2 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Unlike a lot of people out there, I was actually looking forward to the EVF that's likely to appear on the upcoming A99. For me, the advantages of accurate manual focusing and a live histogram in my viewfinder greatly outway the (real) deficiencies that remain with Sony's OLED EVF technology, the biggest being its limited dynamic range.

In the end I just didn't want to wait until September, or God knows when, that Sony intends to release their new full frame cameras. I bought a pair of D800E's which haven't shown up yet (obviously).



May 12, 2012 at 01:05 PM
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p.1 #3 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Well, I have been trying to jump ship but my damn D800E has yet to ship. At this rate, I may wait and see what Sony comes up with as far as an a900 replacement.


May 12, 2012 at 01:09 PM
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p.1 #4 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


I'm waiting too for the A99.

The D800 is really tempting but if the A99 is anything like the A77, I would vastly prefer Sony ergonomics. The A77 is a confidence inspiring camera if not a high ISO dunce.



May 12, 2012 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #5 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


FlyPenFly wrote:
I'm waiting too for the A99.

The D800 is really tempting but if the A99 is anything like the A77, I would vastly prefer Sony ergonomics. The A77 is a confidence inspiring camera if not a high ISO dunce.


Not to mention that a 24MP sensor built with current Sony technology is going to have even better dynamic range & noise performance than the 36MP one in the D800... Which already performs at a truly remarkable level.

For people who aren't shooting on tripods with mirror lockup all day, the 24MP sensor is going to offer better image quality in far more situations.



But, like I said, I just got tired of waiting. I wanted modern cameras for this summer and fall, which is when I do the vast majority of my shooting (seeing as how it's freezing and crappy for the other 2/3 of the year up here!).



May 12, 2012 at 01:50 PM
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p.1 #6 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Well, I have been trying to jump ship but my damn D800E has yet to ship.


Same with me. No word on even an estimate of when my mine are going to show up. Not 4-6 weeks... It's "we have no idea, sorry".

Quite frankly, the whole supply line issue with photography gear has become ridiculous. Every single time I try to buy something I end up having to wait for it for a month or two. I long for the days when I could walk into my local camera store and grab a piece of glass I wanted and go home.



May 12, 2012 at 01:54 PM
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p.1 #7 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


There's also zero Nikon glass that I want to use. Just the zf line. Easily adaptable to Sony alpha although no electronic aperture control. I just find the za line to have nicer rendering characteristics than the very good Nikon G lenses.


May 12, 2012 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #8 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Being an ex-A900 user, I jumped ship but not to nikon. I strongly disagree with the direction Sony has taken and didn't want to waste my time with a dead end system. Now I am using RF cameras.


May 12, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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p.1 #9 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


FlyPenFly wrote:
There's also zero Nikon glass that I want to use. Just the zf line. Easily adaptable to Sony alpha although no electronic aperture control. I just find the za line to have nicer rendering characteristics than the very good Nikon G lenses.



Ya, I'm pretty lost for an ultrawide zoom on the Nikkor side. I'd never used the ZA 16-35mm f/2.8, but would have preferred it on reputation versus the options I'm stuck with for the D800E. The Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 just isn't a very useful focal length for me (for anyone?), so I'm stuck between the old 17-35mm f/2.8, the new 16-35mm f/4.0 VR, or the Tokina 17-35mm f/4.0.

I think I'm just going to get the Tokina because none of the Nikkors really tickle my fancy. Save the difference towards a Zeiss 21 or 25mm.

Having used the EVF on the NEX-7 though, I can tell that manual focusing with the shitty focusing screens on modern Nikon and Canon cameras is just going to annoy the hell out of me. Live view is fine on the tripod but I'd love to be able to use the Zeiss primes wide open for faster moving photography which just doesn't work with those focusing screens, nor the MF auto confirm. On the NEX-7 (and I presume on any of Sony's SLT's) it's fantastic.



May 12, 2012 at 02:30 PM
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p.1 #10 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Not often I post here, but this thread has got me piqued.

I've thought about it hard, but haven't yet jumped for a few reasons:

- I really like the A900/850's ergo and simplicity (the last Minolta DSLR with the first full-frame Sony sensor?), it feels like an SLR with a computer inside, where a lot of what's out there feels the opposite (no experience with Nikons since the F3HP, so no idea how I'd get on, but the D800 does look like it has far too many buttons and levers)
- Nikon doesn't have IBIS, which for me is pretty invaluable
- The D800's viewfinder is likely darker
- Although technically the D800's sensor is superior, I really like the A900's sensor - it's the most analogue like of all the cameras I've owned, which have been quite a few; I particularly like its gentle highlight roll off and its famed (mythical?) colour separation. The Nikon would be much closer to a ISOless camera, with better S/N, much better shadow lifting, greater DR, better high ISO, but somehow I suspect I'd still prefer the A900's for reasons that are hard to qualify. It seems that the D800's sensor is just the D7000's and K5's bulked up; now I've owned a K5 and didn't like the sensor that much for how it handled colour and highlights (despite of what DXOMark would indicate)
- Wouldn't be able to use my Mirex+Mamiya combos for product, and I do like the larger image circle and the Apo-like rendering of the Mamiya macros on full-frame

However, the Nikon has to its advantage:

- LV, which I'd love to have on the A900, as it's very hard to work with the tilted Mirex for focus and because it obstructs the mirror and you get a large part that is shaded after a few degrees
- 12 more megapixels and a 5:4 crop in the viewfinder, which would allow me to aim for my favourite 5:4 ratio, still retaining more resolution than the A900 will give. I do love 5:4/6:7 and feel there wouldn't be a penalty cropping with the D800
- Better shadow pulling, which not being bad on the A900 when used with care and not really that crippling, is not that great either
- Probably much better high-ISO
- A system you can depend on and better options in terms of native lens range and better integration with third-parties
- A future?

In the end, I might just get a couple more A900s (they're as cheap as sausages now anyway), and use it/them until the D800 is cheaper/proven to be the right replacement or something else comes along. What I don't want is a headache inducing EVF, as I've got enough electronic displays around on the telly, the Mac, the camera's LCD, the big monitor and so on, and really wouldn't like to find another one at the end of a viewfinder...



May 12, 2012 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #11 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


I'm not an A900 shooter, A700 in fact, but I appear to be heading back to Nikon.

I went Sony because it was the best combination of a digital system and film system that worked for me. The Alpha's plus two Maxxum 7's were it. What changed things for me is the NEX-7. The 7's become my primary body and I prefer using manual focus lenses with it than A mount lenses, for the better handling & focusing. So I'm slimming down to what's looking strongly like the NEX-7 and a pair of FM series bodies, and I'll add a Nikon FX body in the fall, the upcoming D600 if it has AI support, not sure if I'll go D700 or D800 otherwise. The pity is that the A99 looks damned good, and I actually quite like EVF's.



May 12, 2012 at 03:37 PM
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p.1 #12 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


It's the a900 for me until my eyes get to bad too reliably focus. Then I'll take a look at what Sony's offering for full-frames with EVFs so I can continue to use my lenses.


May 12, 2012 at 04:57 PM
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p.1 #13 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Jon Guilbault wrote:
Having used the EVF on the NEX-7 though, I can tell that manual focusing with the shitty focusing screens on modern Nikon and Canon cameras is just going to annoy the hell out of me. Live view is fine on the tripod but I'd love to be able to use the Zeiss primes wide open for faster moving photography which just doesn't work with those focusing screens, nor the MF auto confirm. On the NEX-7 (and I presume on any of Sony's SLT's) it's fantastic.


This is really my biggest concern with the D800, the viewfinder. The optical finder in the a900 was superior to pretty much everything else for manual focus (and I hear the D800 finder is not quite at that level) and having recently gotten used to the EVF in the NEX-7, fear I might find the D800 finder lacking.



May 12, 2012 at 05:13 PM
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p.1 #14 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


I would never replace A900, if I had one. Probably not even with A99 (cause it will be EVF and Ive seen Sony EVFs and looked through A900 prism). Sony EVFs are pretty good, but A900 is bit "one of the kind". Even tho thats not 100% true as 1DsMK3 is pretty much same in this.. (just ergonomic part of game is somewhere else).

I dont think many ppl ditched A900s, for most ppl relationship with Sony camera or even Minolta one is somewhat different than for Canikon users. Bit similar to Olympus users or Pentaxians (tho these are usually bit crazy).

And then there are lens for Sony Alpha, which cover pretty much everything and what they dont, you can buy from someone else and adapt.

I dont like Sony itself much, but I do like their cameras. Cant pin point why, but somehow they are not that "soul-less" as Canikons. At least A900 isnt..

Just my opinion though.




May 12, 2012 at 08:40 PM
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p.1 #15 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Jon Guilbault wrote:
Having used the EVF on the NEX-7 though, I can tell that manual focusing with the shitty focusing screens on modern Nikon and Canon cameras is just going to annoy the hell out of me. Live view is fine on the tripod but I'd love to be able to use the Zeiss primes wide open for faster moving photography which just doesn't work with those focusing screens, nor the MF auto confirm. On the NEX-7 (and I presume on any of Sony's SLT's) it's fantastic.


Have you ever used a Nikon pro body? Their MF confirm system is by far the best (most intuitive and most accurate) I've ever used. Can't compliment it highly enough.



May 12, 2012 at 09:38 PM
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p.1 #16 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


I sold off my Nikon D700 and their G 2,8 zoom lenses after I used the A900. I much prefer Sony's color to Nikon's. With the recent D800, I'm temped to go back to Nikon. But based on the images that I've seen so far, I am staying with Sony.


May 12, 2012 at 09:40 PM
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p.1 #17 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Sonys next FF determines whether I stay with them or move elsewhere. I am not sure I will move to Nikon though. While I am used to my 24 MP A77, even that is usually overkill, so I am not sure the 36MP of the D800 does anything for me besides slowing processing time.

I really hope Sony makes an awesome A99 or whatever with better battery life and bright EVF and comes out with more lenses. Also, they need to work on flash performance.

Canon's lenses keep calling me, though, so I may give in and move back, maybe starting with a 5Dc and a 35 1.4.



May 12, 2012 at 10:16 PM
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p.1 #18 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


As far as I'm concerned, Sony changed direction in early 2009, basically at the same time when I bought my A900. The A system was supposed to become the next Contax N, or so believed the CEO, who got sacked and got replaced with an idiot who has no idea about photography, only electronic gadgets, a typical Sony guy. He completely destroyed the Minolta legacy and froze the cooperation with Zeiss, limiting the lens line that was initially planned to a strict minimum.

At this moment, I think only 2 companies out there care about photography, Leica and Nikon. (and Zeiss of course, but they don't make digital bodies yet). I wouldn't consider buying from anyone else.



May 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #19 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


Jon Guilbault wrote:
Not to mention that a 24MP sensor built with current Sony technology is going to have even better dynamic range & noise performance than the 36MP one in the D800... Which already performs at a truly remarkable level.

For people who aren't shooting on tripods with mirror lockup all day, the 24MP sensor is going to offer better image quality in far more situations.

But, like I said, I just got tired of waiting. I wanted modern cameras for this summer and fall, which is when I do the vast majority of my shooting (seeing as how it's freezing and crappy
...Show more

The A99 will actually probably be worse in IQ, assuming you're comparing at like image size. That mirror on the A99 will rob it of a little performance. Lower pixels does not equal better DR or noise performance, when outputting images to the same size.



May 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM
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p.1 #20 · Sony A900/850 users jumped ship to Nikon D 800/E?


If the a99 is going to be built on the ff 24mp sensor makes me wonder if there is a a111 in the works that is built on the 36mp sensor.


May 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM
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