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p.1 #1 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


http://www.adorama.com/alc/0013709/news/Leica-M-Monochrom-X2-Compact-flagship-50mm-lens-unveiled-today


May 10, 2012 at 02:44 PM
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p.1 #2 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Link doesn't seem to work?


May 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


hmmm...working for me


May 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM
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p.1 #4 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Looks like an M9 (at a $1000 premium) that only takes B&W photos. I imagine it has a target market of at least 67 people worldwide.

Niche product to say the least...



May 10, 2012 at 03:00 PM
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p.1 #5 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


read about it. It's not without merit.

if you think about it regular (non foveon anyway) digital cameras capture light with that bayer pattern, require low-pass filters to avoid false color etc. etc. etc.

A purely monochrome camera should indeed outperform a color camera converted to B/W in a few metrics.

I think Jamie is being closed-minded about this... I put the worldwide market at at least 103.



No but seriously... why not?



May 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #6 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


No doubt a dedicated monochrome sensor is better at B&W, but an $8000 monochrome camera is a stretch for even well-heeled enthusiasts. I guess if someone was just giving it to me, I'd be happy to use it, but I won't be parting with my money for anything Leica makes.


May 10, 2012 at 03:19 PM
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p.1 #7 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


deepbluejh wrote:
Looks like an M9 (at a $1000 premium) that only takes B&W photos. I imagine it has a target market of at least 67 people worldwide.

Niche product to say the least...


Well, it is a Leica .

"The 18 MP image sensor of the M Monochrom is perfectly matched to the unique properties of the Leica M-System and the superior performance of Leica M-Lenses. As the sensor does not ‘see’ colors, every pixel records true luminance values – as a result, it delivers ‘true’ black-and-white images that are significantly sharper than comparable exposures from a camera with a color-sensitive sensor."

Interesting idea, but it's pretty hard to imagine any real world difference in quality over a color sensor. Maybe akin to how black and white film is supposed to be sharper than color because the emulsion is thinner... It probably really is measurebateable...but show me a couple of 11x14s side by side and then lets discuss it . Worth an extra grand? To some people I'm sure it is. To me? Well...the cost of that thing would keep my M3 fed and watered for a very, very long time .

That said, I love to shoot knowing that the result is going to be black and white...but you can do that with any camera by making a (free) mental adjustment to how you approach a shoot.



May 10, 2012 at 03:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


This sounds pretty awesome actually, the sensor tech is a lot more than "just an M9", with no bayer colour matrix the results could be really impressive.

A b&w digital camera has been done before: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/kodak-760m.shtml



May 10, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


I think they are totally missing the boat. If they priced this at $3-4k, all the Leica dreamers would totally jump on board with voigtlander and 50yr old used M lenses in hand.


May 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM
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p.1 #10 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


swoop wrote:
I think they are totally missing the boat. If they priced this at $3-4k, all the Leica dreamers would totally jump on board with voigtlander and 50yr old used M lenses in hand.

Interesting idea... I'd certainly put myself in that category...



May 10, 2012 at 03:58 PM
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p.1 #11 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


swoop wrote:
I think they are totally missing the boat. If they priced this at $3-4k, all the Leica dreamers would totally jump on board with voigtlander and 50yr old used M lenses in hand.


Leica is a luxury brand and is managed as such, the same ideas don't apply. I'm sure Ferrari would make a short term killing if they sold a cheap version but it would seriously damage the brand.



May 10, 2012 at 04:07 PM
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p.1 #12 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


deepbluejh wrote:
Looks like an M9 (at a $1000 premium) that only takes B&W photos. I imagine it has a target market of at least 67 people worldwide.

Niche product to say the least...



Maybe 68. LoL.

Too expensive for such a specific genre of photography.

Ron



May 10, 2012 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #13 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


I can't wait for the monochrome M9. Just what I've been waiting for! It will be a perfect match with that new 50mm f/2 for another $7200.


May 10, 2012 at 08:50 PM
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p.1 #14 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Hahah... I didn't even notice they were also selling a 50mm F2.0 for $7200. The Zeiss equivalent of this lens (in Leica mount) is $780.

I understand they are a luxury brand and all, but those lens prices are just astronomical.



May 10, 2012 at 09:13 PM
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p.1 #15 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Interesting, to say the least. Wonder if we'll have any takers here in the forums...


May 11, 2012 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #16 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Equipped with a 2.5 in color display, helpful with the menu, and yet, ironic.


May 11, 2012 at 02:46 PM
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p.1 #17 · OT: New Leicas..including B&W only model


Tom Dix wrote:
Equipped with a 2.5 in color display, helpful with the menu, and yet, ironic.


Unfortunately it's the only display available in this size. And it's pretty horrible.

If they can do a sensor upgrade for existing owners I might get one of my bodies converted. I actually love the concept.

Gordon



May 12, 2012 at 04:51 PM





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