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wickerprints wrote:
After downloading this version of DPP and using it for a while, I've come up with a few suggestions and tips for working with the DLO feature.

1. Installation: I'm running Mac OS, so I don't have advice for Windows users. Version 3.11.26 requires OS 10.6 or higher--it will not appear available for download from Canon's website if you choose 10.5 or earlier. 10.6 is the last version of Mac OS that still has support for PowerPC code emulation via Rosetta, so keep this in mind.

2. As is the case with all versions of DPP on OS X, you must install
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Thanks for your work, it is much appreciated.

gene



Apr 21, 2012 at 05:59 PM
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p.3 #2 · DPP 3.11.26


It will take some time to learn how to tweak DLO. It seems easy to get an
artificial or over processed look, but it clearly has potential.



Apr 21, 2012 at 06:14 PM
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p.3 #3 · DPP 3.11.26


DLO does not work for me. Changing the slider has absolutely no effect. Any idea why?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 21, 2012 at 07:07 PM
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p.3 #4 · DPP 3.11.26


Possibly because you are not waiting long enough for the results to appear. Look in the lower left-hand corner of the window and you will see it says "Generating a high quality preview..." On some computers it might take a bit longer to render.

Also, your lens needs to be one of the lenses supported. And, that said, you also have to download the profile.



Apr 21, 2012 at 07:42 PM
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Todd Klassy wrote:
Possibly because you are not waiting long enough for the results to appear. Look in the lower left-hand corner of the window and you will see it says "Generating a high quality preview..." On some computers it might take a bit longer to render.


Bingo. Thanks a lot. Now that I see the difference, it looks like a sharpness tool. Is it? How does it function with the other sharpness options?

Todd Klassy wrote:
Also, your lens needs to be one of the lenses supported. And, that said, you also have to download the profile.


Done that already.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 21, 2012 at 08:00 PM
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p.3 #6 · DPP 3.11.26


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/6955035308_2de3de2d48_b_d.jpg


Above is a set of screenshots from the DLO preview window. The lens used was the EF 35/1.4L at f/4, 1/2000s, ISO 320. These are 100% crop. Top row pair is taken from the lower left of the original image; bottom row pair is taken from the extreme upper right of the original. It should be fairly obvious which column is uncorrected and which is corrected.

DLO setting was at 100. No other sharpening was applied.

A few observations: since the image was taken at f/4 on a 5D2, diffraction should not be a significant concern. Focus was fairly long, so shallow DOF should not be present. Any improvements should be due to correction of the aberrations in the lens itself.

To really get a sense that there is something nontrivial going on with DLO, download the image and inspect the individual color channels at 200-300%. You will see that such a degree of improvement without introducing ringing artifacts is quite remarkable, and would not happen if the algorithm were simply applying some traditional form of sharpening. I am entirely convinced that the lens profile "knows" something about how the lens behaves. How it knows what it does, and how it's able to correct it to such an effective degree...I've got no clue. It's very impressive--it really is a game-changer as it pertains to using Canon lenses and raw processing.



Apr 22, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
DLO does not work for me. Changing the slider has absolutely no effect. Any idea why?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Yakim, make sure the lens used by RAW image is on the downloaded plug-in list. Here is 50L 90% DLO sample

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7101242975_1362f0e2c1_b.jpg



Apr 22, 2012 at 02:31 AM
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p.3 #8 · DPP 3.11.26


Heres an example from my 7D and a 100-400L

ACR 6.6 on the left ( defaults, lens corrected) DLO on the right






Apr 22, 2012 at 03:06 AM
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p.3 #9 · DPP 3.11.26


Thanks just tried it can see a difference


Apr 22, 2012 at 06:54 AM
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p.3 #10 · DPP 3.11.26


Yes - now I hope to see some more lenses supported...


Apr 22, 2012 at 07:13 AM
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p.3 #11 · DPP 3.11.26


RobDickinson wrote:
Heres an example from my 7D and a 100-400L

ACR 6.6 on the left ( defaults, lens corrected) DLO on the right

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/robdickinson/Untitled-1-2.jpg



That's one really outstanding example !!!



Apr 22, 2012 at 09:24 AM
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p.3 #12 · DPP 3.11.26


So the 50 1.4 is supported in DLO but not the 85 1.8? Am I missing something?


Apr 22, 2012 at 12:06 PM
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wickerprints wrote:
To really get a sense that there is something nontrivial going on with DLO, download the image and inspect the individual color channels at 200-300%. You will see that such a degree of improvement without introducing ringing artifacts is quite remarkable, and would not happen if the algorithm were simply applying some traditional form of sharpening. I am entirely convinced that the lens profile "knows" something about how the lens behaves. How it knows what it does, and how it's able to correct it to such an effective degree...I've got no clue. It's very impressive--it really is a game-changer as
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Unfortunately there is something akin to sharpening happening in the OOF areas to make the noise noticeably worse. If I reduce the sharpening after DLO to make the resultant noise about the same much of the DLO advantages are gone. Of course it is less of an issue at low ISOs, but in that case one is often shooting at smaller apertures where there is less aberration.

It is a great tool for certain corner-weak lenses. I'm pleased with the results from some older landscape images taken with the 16-35 at the wide end for example. That lens had a lot of radial blur in the red channel and at sunset there is very little data from other channels.

EBH



Apr 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM
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p.3 #14 · DPP 3.11.26


OK let me first say that I dont normally use DPP but after seeing a few posts about this DLO I thought I would have a look.

Now how much different is it to (as Im a Lightroom user) hitting the Clarity and sharpening sliders in LR ?

maybe its my machine (which is due a replacement) but the DLO seemed really slow and awkward.
first the render which was slow but ok but then the save seems to take a long time.
Maybe as I only have a couple of supported lenses im not seeing much effect.

Maybe it will be worth using on 1 or 2 images but I cant see me using it on lots.



Apr 22, 2012 at 01:31 PM
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p.3 #15 · DPP 3.11.26


A quick play with it impressed me also. My only gripes would be that my 70-200L f/2.8 non IS is not supported (and probably won't be in the future due to being an old model) and the fact that Lightroom doesn't support the RAW format after re-processing. Hopefully Adobe will add support for DLO processed images in the near future.


Apr 22, 2012 at 01:33 PM
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p.3 #16 · DPP 3.11.26


Ian.Dobinson wrote:
OK let me first say that I dont normally use DPP but after seeing a few posts about this DLO I thought I would have a look.

Now how much different is it to (as Im a Lightroom user) hitting the Clarity and sharpening sliders in LR ?

maybe its my machine (which is due a replacement) but the DLO seemed really slow and awkward.
first the render which was slow but ok but then the save seems to take a long time.
Maybe as I only have a couple of supported lenses im not seeing much effect.

Maybe it will be worth
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There is obviously some lens specific info in there that is not the same as the Adobe. I don't use DXO, but it may be something like that, and Canon should know their own lenses best.

Are you finding a difficult image with near corner/edge aberrations? Obviously it is not needed much with many lenses, and less so closer to the center of the frame.

EBH



Apr 22, 2012 at 03:12 PM
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p.3 #17 · DPP 3.11.26


outlawyer wrote:
I guess Canon adding the Drainpipe is about as likely as me dating Brooklyn Decker....doubt it's considered a "digital lens" but neither could the 50 1.4 be.



Yeah but the 50/1.4 is still a current lens in the lineup.
I do concur the the pipe won't be added to the list but then when is perfect as it is .........



Apr 22, 2012 at 04:53 PM
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p.3 #18 · DPP 3.11.26


EB-1 wrote:
There is obviously some lens specific info in there that is not the same as the Adobe. I don't use DXO, but it may be something like that, and Canon should know their own lenses best.

Are you finding a difficult image with near corner/edge aberrations? Obviously it is not needed much with many lenses, and less so closer to the center of the frame.

EBH


Maybe I just need to hunt out some of my worst images to try it on. But then on a crop like the 7D probably won't stress the edges of my FF lenses anyway



Apr 22, 2012 at 04:55 PM
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p.3 #19 · DPP 3.11.26


mttran wrote:
Thanks. DLO is an awesome plugin


It's a little pearl wrapped in a piece of crap program. Very frustrating as the results of DLO are impressive, but DPP on the whole is just a woeful program to use.

I may have to just use DPP for DLO and export the tiff and finish off in LR4, but it completely destroys the RAW workflow.



Apr 22, 2012 at 05:34 PM
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I make the adjustment then export to photoshop as tiff...


Apr 22, 2012 at 05:39 PM
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