p.1 #1 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
Just curious if any other digital back users, or ex digi back users are going with the D800E over the D800. From the impressions of other reviewers, the base model D800 is very sharp/detailed. Moire issues with the p1 backs were a nightmare to me. More often than not, pictures could not be saved from moire/artifacting of the digital back (from my experience using C1pro software) I would like to hear why some of you would prefer the D800E. Of course the D800E isn't out yet, but I'm thinking I might jump on the D800 instead. Any thoughts?
p.1 #2 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
i will get mainly D800Es to have together with my digital backs because i never had issue with moire or it's removal on digital backs and always tend to want the best, just for the feeling i have the best.
p.1 #3 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
thats interesting you've never had issues with moire on your digital backs. I understand about that 'feeling' to have the best, even though the D800 already appears to be among the best; sharpness and detail wise. I'm also curious as i've heard moire will be less due to the high pixel pitch of the sensor? (compared to a p60 back?)
p.1 #4 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
*Lurking*
<Just interested, Ive only rented MF (Hassy, P30+) from time to time and have never had any moire issues even when shooting fabric, hair, feathers, in the studio. Been on the fence between the 880/800e>
p.1 #6 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
nategigapixel wrote:
thats interesting you've never had issues with moire on your digital backs. I understand about that 'feeling' to have the best, even though the D800 already appears to be among the best; sharpness and detail wise. I'm also curious as i've heard moire will be less due to the high pixel pitch of the sensor? (compared to a p60 back?)
higher resolution of course also helps to reduce moire, because it needs at same distance finer fabric or more distant fence to excite it, it is visible on some shots, but i never had any issue removing it within seconds and if anybody feels he have unremoveable moire,even after he tried capture one, then he is free to send it to me to show him it is a non issue
p.1 #7 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
I'm pretty amazed no one has had moire issues, rain bowing or halo artifacts with the no AA digital backs. I'm surprised you are saying it is a "non issue" Kitty, but I hope you are right with the D800E..
p.1 #8 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
Once the D800E is available, I believe we'll see that the moire issue has been way overblown. If it were likely to show up in 10% or more of photos, Nikon would probably never have released it. I'm sure it will show in an occasional image, but you can reshoot, or work it out in post. On the other hand, the increase in sharpness should be evident in every(or close to it) photo.
p.1 #11 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
derry1 wrote:
with friends shooting Leicas I have never head them complain,,
I'm ready for B&H to deliver my 800E
Derry
Yep. And some will argue that the the D800E "isn't a Leica", or "isn't a MF back". But it is the same technology in the form of Bayer sensor without the AA filter, so the incidence of moire should be similar to that in the Leica digital M bodies.
Here is a quote from the LL review of the M9 a couple years ago regarding moire.
"As this is being written I've shot something over a thousand frames with the M9 in Germany, and in France, and Canada. This has included people wearing clothes (ie: fabrics), buildings, and nature scenes. I have seen exactly one image with moire. (I have shot many tens of thousands of frames with the previous Leica M8 as well as Kodak DCS Pro Back, Phase One P25, P45 add P65 backs, all lacking AA filters, and have never seen more than a handful of other instances of moire)."
p.1 #12 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
hmmm...its truly weird to me that no one has ever had moire or other artifacting issues, maybe i'm cursed. Amongst the problems I've had on the phase one backs were moire, rain bowing, color fringing and halo ing. There are times when during a shoot, I don't have a chance to preview or "manipulate" focus, d.o.f., adjust model, move location, etc. for the style I shoot, and I'm a slave to my light meter/af etc. : as I don't have those conveniences when working editorial.. but, I WANT the best best of the best, so I'm tempted to pick up the 800E. BTW, I don't understand how moire, pixel wise would be better on a higher pixel pitch small sensor (35mm) vs. pixel pitch on a mfdb? Either way, my next camera will probably be an 800 series (E or not)
p.1 #13 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
mfletch wrote:
Here is a quote from the LL review of the M9 a couple years ago regarding moire.
"As this is being written I've shot something over a thousand frames with the M9 in Germany, and in France, and Canada. This has included people wearing clothes (ie: fabrics), buildings, and nature scenes. I have seen exactly one image with moire. (I have shot many tens of thousands of frames with the previous Leica M8 as well as Kodak DCS Pro Back, Phase One P25, P45 add P65 backs, all lacking AA filters, and have never seen more than a handful of other instances of moire)."...Show more → :/ google image search
p.1 #14 · any MFDB users switching to D800E over the D800?
I depends on the type of shooter, actually. I've known many "professionals" that continuously fail to get sharp 12MP D3s images.
If you're always on the edge of your hand-holding abilities, never use flash or shoot in sunshine ("the light is to harsh!"), never use a tripos for city scenery - well, then you're never taking captures sharp enough to stress the camera.
I've done product with the P45+, one of my first tries at helping out in the studio (I'm mainly a pre-press person, not a photographer, but we were short on both staff and time). I had moire bad enough to kill the images - they were "not salvageable" by any means - in at least 90% of all images. That's a complete lineup we had to reshoot.
"Leica-persons" will rarely - if ever - criticize their equipment. Doing so would effectively neuter them, and their choice of "superior equipment". So you won't see much of that floating around.
