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Archive 2012 · (un)impressed by my new G28

Phillip Reeve
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p.1 #1 · (un)impressed by my new G28


yesterday i received a G28 and performed some tests against my Sony E 18-55, which left me quite disappointed and i would like to hear your opinion on them, especially from owners of the lens. are there any major flaws with my testing? do i have a bad copy?
First my testchart (i took several pictures at each aperture, and chose the one with best center performance):

Center


Midframe


Corner


the more important infinity test:
Center


Midframe


Corner
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/birnenbaumgarten/6999481261/]
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using my usual resizing script i don't see any difference in the rendering




two full resolution images:
sharpening (50, 0.7, 50)
Sony E 18-55 28mm f/8
G28 f/8

sample image to show the G28's field curvature

Of course this short test can only be a first step towards leaning to know the lens and forming an opinion about it, but i think i expected a more impressive performance.

Edited on Mar 21, 2012 at 06:31 PM · View previous versions



Mar 20, 2012 at 05:15 AM
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p.1 #2 · (un)impressed by my new G28


I think there is too much atmospheric haze in your infinity shot but I still the G outresolving and outcontrasting the kit lens?

Except in the last corner shot.

Keep in mind the NEX kit lens is also very good.

Personally, I found the Contax G 28mm strength was in mid distance objects, not infinity.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:27 AM
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p.1 #3 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Very nice results. What's exactly wrong with the G lens?


Mar 20, 2012 at 07:34 AM
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p.1 #4 · (un)impressed by my new G28


The G28 center infinity sample you show at f/2.8 seems sharper than the one at f/4, odd.


Mar 20, 2012 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #5 · (un)impressed by my new G28


The extreme corners of the kit lens are blurry in the f/8 infinity sample, and they look kind of stretched due to pincushion distortion. The Contax looks to have warmers colors and slightly better color separation and contrast. The kit lens looks more neutral and a bit more flat. The differences are quite small though and best detected in the full size files.

I don't have any experience with rangefinder lenses, but I think the field curvature at f/2.8 at inifinity is quite normal. The better rangefinder lenses (ZM/Leica M) are so much more expensive than this Contax G.

Also, I'd try some shots at closer distance. If the Biogon 28 is anything like the Distagon 28/2.8 (which I've heard it should be), it will have a good amount of pop and impressive central sharpness at f/2.8.

One final note: I don't know how long your experience with alt lenses is, but I get the impression that maybe you expected near perfection from your new Zeiss lens. I've gone through a phase where I was questioning the qualities of my best lenses and found small flaws when pixel peeping, which overshadowed my appreciation of the main strengths of those lenses. I guess it's just something one goes through when learning the technical capabilities of lenses, but I have adjusted my expectations to a somewhat more realistic level.

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Mar 20, 2012 at 10:38 AM
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p.1 #6 · (un)impressed by my new G28


The G28 looks good to me, too. Were these shots Cornerfix'ed? and taken with 5N, right?

I tried to understand the G28 field curvature photos, but got confused by the labels. What are you seeing, there?



Mar 20, 2012 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #7 · (un)impressed by my new G28


I don't have any experience with the G28, but to put the differences in another perspective: the differences between my Leica M 35 2.5 or Zeiss ZE 35 2.0 and the 18-55 are very similar in these kind of shots. Therefore, what your pictures show is what I would expect performance-wise from a G28. If you look for other lens attributes like CA, distortion or resistance to any kind of flare the differences will be probably more pronounced. That said, the 18-55 is really good for a (slow) kit lens.


Mar 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #8 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Phillip, I'll be the first to go out on a limb and say that your copy of the G28 seems *a little* weak. I'm saying this having owned it for a short time, and having tested it directly against the kit lens. Of the lenses I tested at the time the G28 (18-55, CV 25/4, Oly 24/2.8, G28, CV 35/2.5) was clearly the best in the corners and a bit ahead in the center too.

If you want a more telling comparison use an area off center, maybe 2/3 of the way out toward an edge. The kit lens resolves the center very well (especially at 24-28mm), but drops off fairly quickly.


edit: Just saw that you did test mid frame. I dunno, it seems like the G28 should be noticeably better, which to my eye it's not.



Mar 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Kit is pretty darn good at 28, that's for sure. Amazing for a lens widely considered to be not great.


Mar 20, 2012 at 01:10 PM
Phillip Reeve
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p.1 #10 · (un)impressed by my new G28


edwardkaraa wrote:
Very nice results. What's exactly wrong with the G lens?

I own the G45 as well and i expected the G28 to perform nearly as well, meaning good resolution across the frame at all apertures, perfect images stopped down one stop.


AhamB wrote:
One final note: I don't know how long your experience with alt lenses is, but I get the impression that maybe you expected near perfection from your new Zeiss lens. I've gone through a phase where I was questioning the qualities of my best lenses and found small flaws when pixel peeping, which overshadowed my appreciation of the main strengths of those lenses. I guess it's just something one goes through when learning the technical capabilities of lenses, but I have adjusted my expectations to a somewhat more realistic level.

I think i have some experience, though usually with lenses of longer focal lenght, and my G45 was the benchmark.

JimBuchanan wrote:
The G28 looks good to me, too. Were these shots Cornerfix'ed? and taken with 5N, right?

I tried to understand the G28 field curvature photos, but got confused by the labels. What are you seeing, there?

No Cornerfix, taken with the 5n.
i forgot to link to the picture focused at the center of the image.

G28 f/2.8 focused at the center of the image | G28 f/2.8 focused at the corner of the image
as you can see the corners are sharper in the second image (i didn't say sharp), the foreground is in focus but the center is totally out of focus, so there is some field curvature.

Jacob D wrote:
Phillip, I'll be the first to go out on a limb and say that your copy of the G28 seems *a little* weak. [...]
If you want a more telling comparison use an area off center, maybe 2/3 of the way out toward an edge. The kit lens resolves the center very well (especially at 24-28mm), but drops off fairly quickly.

edit: Just saw that you did test mid frame. I dunno, it seems like the G28 should be noticeably better, which to my eye it's not.

Hmm, thats exactly what i expected, good corners. Are there any other owners of the lens who can confirm that their G28s are better than mine?
I don't see that my kit drops off much in the range from 24-28mm, at 28mm only the last 300px or 10% seem to be unsharp, @24mm i don't see a real falloff at all Sony E 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 @24mm f/8


Jacob D wrote:
Phillip, I'll be the first to go out on a limb and say that your copy of the G28 seems *a little* weak. [...]
If you want a more telling comparison use an area off center, maybe 2/3 of the way out toward an edge. The kit lens resolves the center very well (especially at 24-28mm), but drops off fairly quickly.

edit: Just saw that you did test mid frame. I dunno, it seems like the G28 should be noticeably better, which to my eye it's not.

Hmm, thats exactly what i expected, good corners. Are there any other owners of the lens who can confirm that their G28s are better than mine?
I don't see that my kit drops off much in the range from 24-28mm, at 28mm only the last 300px or 10% seem to be unsharp, @24mm i don't see a real falloff at all Sony E 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 @24mm f/8

I will wait for the reports of other users how well their G28 performs at infinity and learn to know the lens better until then, i took the lens for a walk and like what i see so far:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6042/6854877860_006b8621c9_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6854867874_b7c6d5447d_o.jpg


(click for full resolution)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/7000979825_ec002fc43e_o.jpg


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Mar 20, 2012 at 03:48 PM
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p.1 #11 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Infinity is probably the worst for any of the NEX sensors with RF glass.

It might just all be equally bad.



Mar 20, 2012 at 03:53 PM
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p.1 #12 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Phillip; though the G28 is an excellent allround lens I think it actually is a bit weaker at infinity unless stopped down (on film around f5.6/8). This is my experience with the G system from back in the film days. The G28 is a very good lens but lacks the extra crisp of the G45 and the G21 around infinity. And honestly, it isn't quite as snappy as the G45 and the G21 at close to medium range either, but it is very good to excellent and never bad.

I have had two copies of the G28 and both performed identically.

Your more recent samples at closer range look fine and this is what I think you should expect from this lens. All the G lenses are excellent, though I think the G28 is excellent- and the G21/45/90 are excellent+. The G35 I have no experience with.






Mar 20, 2012 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #13 · (un)impressed by my new G28


Ok, I take it back... I remembered wrong I guess. I went back to look at my notes and the one or two sample photos I ended up keeping around, and at 28mm the Sony looks nearly the same as the G 28 center and corners as far as sharpness is concerned at f5.6 and above. That was my finding anyway, non scientific and all.

The Sony lacks contrast and doesn't control CA as well, but yeah, at 24-28mm it's a very decent lens. 55mm is another story



Mar 20, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #14 · (un)impressed by my new G28


I can take the G28 for a spin tomorrow if light is alright. I'm no lens tester but I find it bitingly sharp at mid distance F/5.6 and the same on close distance even at F/2.8. But you're looking for infinity? I dont do much landscaping but the lens that stands out in that particular area is the G21. It surpasses the G28 and G45 so I agree with kosmos/henrik. Corners are NOT good with the G21, but it is with the G28.

FWIW looking from a meter or so at your first infinity center comparison I give the G28 an advantage in contrast. I had to test, albeit very unscientific, but cropping out your Sony and G28 squares at F/5.6 (which I tend to use at infinity on the 5N) - employing auto-Levels and Ctr-tab switching between them the advantage becomes apparent. Dispite the haze.

Give me some guidance what you'd like to see and I may be able to shoot some tomorrow.



Mar 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM
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wfrank wrote:
I can take the G28 for a spin tomorrow if light is alright. I'm no lens tester but I find it bitingly sharp at mid distance F/5.6 and the same on close distance F/2.8. But you're looking for infinity? I dont do much landscaping but the lens that stands out in that particular area is the G21. It surpasses the G28 and G45 so I agree with kosmos/henrik. Corners are NOT good with the G21, but it is with the G28.

FWIW looking from a meter or so at your first infinity center comparison I give the G28 an advantage in
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thanks frank, i was hoping to hear from you as you were the inspiration to buy the lens .
I would be interested in some full resolution images at infinity, something similar to my test setting, doesn't matter though if it a land- or cityscape.

My 3. image seems to confirm that its great at f/5.6 at middistance and i liked my closer f/2.8 shots from today as well. I had hoped to get an all-rounder like the G45 but in fact i don't do much landcaping (the landscape is pretty boring around here) so its no dealbreaker for me if i doesn't perform too well at infinity.




Mar 20, 2012 at 04:43 PM
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uhoh7 wrote:
Kit is pretty darn good at 28, that's for sure. Amazing for a lens widely considered to be not great.


I have had the same conclusions with mine; I believe the "widely considered" opinion to be expectation more than first hand experience..



Mar 20, 2012 at 05:25 PM
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Phillip Reeve wrote:
thanks frank, i was hoping to hear from you as you were the inspiration to buy the lens .
I would be interested in some full resolution images at infinity, something similar to my test setting, doesn't matter though if it a land- or cityscape.

My 3. image seems to confirm that its great at f/5.6 at middistance and i liked my closer f/2.8 shots from today as well. I had hoped to get an all-rounder like the G45 but in fact i don't do much landcaping (the landscape is pretty boring around here) so its no dealbreaker for me if
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No probs Phillip, lately I've been airing the 5D2 with a huge CY so I'll enjoy taking out the pocket battleship 5N/G28 and try it for infinity.

The G28 was the first alt lens I could mount on the 5N. Here are two shots from the first day with the lens mounted. Both are wideopen (or close) and close distance or very close so it's not what you're looking for now. But I'll give it a shot tomorrow :-)


DSC00321 1280 by Wilhelm Frank - Stockholm, on Flickr


DSC00293 1280 by Wilhelm Frank - Stockholm, on Flickr




Mar 20, 2012 at 05:57 PM
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Phillip Reeve wrote:
I own the G45 as well and i expected the G28 to perform nearly as well, meaning good resolution across the frame at all apertures, perfect images stopped down one stop.


There are very few lenses which perform as well as the G45 and the G28 isn't one of them. I have the holy Contax trinity and your G28 results roughly match mine.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:02 PM
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p.1 #19 · (un)impressed by my new G28


I wish I could comment, I have in my possession 5N, CV 15, G28, 45, 90 and fotodiox is late on my adapters :-(


Mar 21, 2012 at 01:35 PM
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p.1 #20 · (un)impressed by my new G28


The G28 is very good wide open and close. Stopped down at mid distance it is excellent. The G28 is a great lens in all aspects. It is slightly behind the G45 and G21 at everything, but that is not detracting from it.

The G28 is probably more suitable to being adapted to digital. On film the G21 does everything better, and is clearly better at infinity.

Still, I had times when I opted to take the G28 with the G45 instead of the full kit, for a minimalist kit and have always been happy with the results.



Mar 21, 2012 at 02:55 PM
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