p.1 #3 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
But you're not using a NEX lens, right? The NEX bodies are good and the platform holds a lot of potential but personally I think it is crippled by SONY not producing supporting HQ / fast native lenses for it. I really don't understand why they move so slow. Compare the lenses that Fuji announced with their own mirrorless camera with what Sony announced with theirs.
Most of the folks using NEX cameras on this board are using it via adapters with old SLR or expensive range finder lenses. This means manual focus which is okay for static/landscape or slow moving subjects but inadequate for the average SONY customer.
p.1 #4 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
HopeIsEternal wrote:
But you're not using a NEX lens, right? The NEX bodies are good and the platform holds a lot of potential but personally I think it is crippled by SONY not producing supporting HQ / fast native lenses for it. I really don't understand why they move so slow. Compare the lenses that Fuji announced with their own mirrorless camera with what Sony announced with theirs.
Most of the folks using NEX cameras on this board are using it via adapters with old SLR or expensive range finder lenses. This means manual focus which is okay for static/landscape or slow moving subjects but inadequate for the average SONY customer.
The Sony 16 is better than most give it credit for (especially now that we're seeing the Samsung NX 16 and the Fuji 18/2,) and there's a 24/1.8, 30/3.5, 50/1.8, and tele prime is due soon. I don't shoot Sony lenses, myself, but that's not a terrible prime lineup. It'll also be interesting to see how the two new Sigma primes perform.
p.1 #5 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
HopeIsEternal wrote:
But you're not using a NEX lens, right? The NEX bodies are good and the platform holds a lot of potential but personally I think it is crippled by SONY not producing supporting HQ / fast native lenses for it. I really don't understand why they move so slow. Compare the lenses that Fuji announced with their own mirrorless camera with what Sony announced with theirs.
Most of the folks using NEX cameras on this board are using it via adapters with old SLR or expensive range finder lenses. This means manual focus which is okay for static/landscape or slow moving subjects but inadequate for the average SONY customer.
true, but i could care less about the average sony customer, other than that i want the NEX system to succeed (which it is so far).
i want a manual focus camera, so all the autofocus lenses in the world aren't going to sway me much. i agree that sony is pretty stupid in it's roadmap to date.
p.1 #6 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
HopeIsEternal wrote:
But you're not using a NEX lens, right? The NEX bodies are good and the platform holds a lot of potential but personally I think it is crippled by SONY not producing supporting HQ / fast native lenses for it. I really don't understand why they move so slow. Compare the lenses that Fuji announced with their own mirrorless camera with what Sony announced with theirs.
Most of the folks using NEX cameras on this board are using it via adapters with old SLR or expensive range finder lenses. This means manual focus which is okay for static/landscape or slow moving subjects but inadequate for the average SONY customer.
p.1 #7 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
I'm not knocking manual focus lenses. I have them and use them. But it is more of a niche and users of manual focus lenses with adapters are probably not the *primary* customer scenario that SONY is catering for otherwise the NEX3/5 controls would a lot more ergonomic and traditional.
I'm sure that the Nikon and Canon DSLRs wouldn't be as successful as they are now if they had very few native lenses available.
ken.vs.ryu wrote:
I guess you could say the same for canon and nikon dslr users on this board.
p.1 #8 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
HopeIsEternal wrote:
I'm not knocking manual focus lenses. I have them and use them. But it is more of a niche and users of manual focus lenses with adapters are probably not the *primary* customer scenario that SONY is catering for otherwise the NEX3/5 controls would a lot more ergonomic and traditional.
I, of course, have no idea what the numbers are, but Sony was very surprised about the initial adoption of manual lenses for the NEX platform, and they've done a lot since the initial NEX release. Sony added focus peaking, added customizable banks, released lens mount specs for free, and even show NEX cameras at trade shows with manual lenses attached. Sony openly encourages other lens companies to build NEX lenses with AF. The NEX system was originally designed for P&S upgraders, but Sony quickly realized who was buying the cameras.
p.1 #9 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
That Fujifilm is going to market a mount for M lenses for their X mount cameras is also a sign that there's at least some profit, or almost-free user driven marketing (which can lead to profits) to be had from making maniacal manual focus fretters like us happy.
As well... if you are going to make a short back focal length camera, paying attention to the demands of high quality lenses like RF lenses should also pay dividends for your own line of AF lenses too, right? They attach to the same body and have to deal with the same (worse actually) physics. In that light, what scraps they throw at us must be fairly trivial but I bet us folks - early adopters, sometimes big spenders, frequent writers about camera tech, and possibly prolific photo publishers - aren't detrimental to their core mission. Sell more cameras and accessories.
Or maybe we are in fact just bug splat on the big windshield of camera tech progress. Inconsequential. Sometimes messy.
p.1 #11 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
Sony was very surprised about the initial adoption of manual lenses for the NEX platform, and they've done a lot since the initial NEX release. Sony added focus peaking, added customizable banks, released lens mount specs for free, and even show NEX cameras at trade shows with manual lenses attached.
Because it wasn't their target market, a whole new market opened up to them, and, oh wait, that market also does the bulk of the technical reviews, which a large portion of their original target market reads. "Two birds with one stone" as the saying goes.
p.1 #12 · I still can't get over how good the NEX is
The Samsung NX16/2.4 is heads above the Sony 16. It's sharp from f/2.4, where even corners are good. It's only weakness is curvature of the field (the corners come in). That can be a plus for some shots, and others (like those with trees in the corners at infinity) can be adjusted for by using the excellent full time manual focus to focus at infinity.
There are some poor lens reviewers out there, that either don't have a clue how to use a lens, or just looking for a way to spread some FUD about Samsung photography products.
douglasf13 wrote:
The Sony 16 is better than most give it credit for (especially now that we're seeing the Samsung NX 16 and the Fuji 18/2,) and there's a 24/1.8, 30/3.5, 50/1.8, and tele prime is due soon. I don't shoot Sony lenses, myself, but that's not a terrible prime lineup. It'll also be interesting to see how the two new Sigma primes perform.
