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Archive 2012 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


I owned a 5D II since they were released, and kitted it out with Zeiss ZE lenses. When I felt the need for a secondary system, I went to a NEX 5, and also Zeiss glass, this time ZM.

As time went by, my Canon system stayed the same, except that I got the more recent ZE lenses (35 f:1.4 and 25 f:2.0), whereas my NEX cameras improved: from 5 to C3, from C3 to 5N, from 5N to 7.

With the 7 comes the question: has it reached DSLR no-holds-barred quality? Is there anything left in the DSLR camp that is worth hanging on to it?

Well, the quick-and-dirty answer is: for my shooting, yes, but not much at all, and going all-NEX is very tempting. Today I went walkabout with the 7 and a ZM 18, and my 5D II and ZE 25. Thta is the closest I could come to matching the focal lengths, since Zeiss have made me wait almost 3 months to deliver a ZM 35 f:2.0.

At the bottom of the post you will see 3 pairs of pics. As the ZM 18 colours shifts on the NEX 7, its pics have been run through Cornerfix, with a quick-and-dirty profile (a shot at a piece of photo paper). All shots converted from RAW by LR III with default settings, and adjusted for WB with the LR Tool. As you will see, even the resulting WB is far from identical.



Mar 02, 2012 at 01:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


1. Shooting experience. I assume that we are all familiar with the DSLR, so I won't get into that. But NEX7 may be new for many. I was struck by how different it is form pervious, smaller NEX. It feels halfway between a NEX and a DSLR. Chunkier, heavier, though still emintenly less than the 5D. It is still a stealthy go-everywhere, though no longer an almost toy-like size.
Then it has an EVF, which is a godsend for those shooting often in portrait orientation (I do). Now my 5N offered the same as an option, but I tried it and disliked it. I foudn it fiddly to put on, and was afraid to pocket he camera with the VF on, for fear of breaking it. Not so the 7, where the VF is integrated. Quite unexpectedly, while I had developped a great fondness for shooting my NEXes from the waist, with the LCD turned up, I find myself today shooting the 7 almost excusively with the EVF. As pretty as an optical one in the 5D it ain't, but in terms of function, meaning securing focus and composition, it is flawless. Now I find myself looking into the 5D VF and struggling to find the magnifier...:-)
Also, I tried focus peaking on the 5N and disliked it. It immulinated too much of th epic for my taste, and I could end up with OOF pics if I trusted it to focus. My feeling is that it has been made more discriminating on the 7, and this combo (EVF + peaking) gives me a near-perfect keeper rate from a sharpness point of view.
This is hardly trivial, because the NEX 7, with its very high pixel density, is a highly discriminating camera to say the least. Get anything not quite right with it, and it shows it mercilessly. But get matters right, and the IQ is... well, you will see.
So, to sum it up, as a walkabout experience, the NEX 7 combo wins on bulk and weight, wins on VF focusing, wins on shooting in LiveView, wins on shooting from the waist. The 5D II wins on having an optical viewfinder. Not that much....



Mar 02, 2012 at 01:51 PM
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p.1 #3 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


Is the photo link missing?

ETA:Nevermind! I see you are still posting.




Mar 02, 2012 at 01:52 PM
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p.1 #4 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


2. System performance. This is where matters get very tricky. The 5D II has a wealth of Canon glass, plus alternatives like Sigma and Tamron, and the high-end Zeiss ZE. It has remarkable high-ISO performane which, combined with f:1.4 lenses, wmakes it a great low-light performer.
The NEX 7 was at first received as a shock to many. So many class-leading specs for such a small and inexpensive package. The came the bad news. The 7 couldn't handle wide lenses, and ISO performance wasn't so great. Then worse news, the 7 is a tricky, demanding camera. So what is my take? Yes the 7 is demanding. You can't be a happy-go-lucky spray-and-pray shooter and expect top performance every time. If you can't or won't suck it up and put in the effort (and who says you should, let alone must or ought ?) the Sony offer the 5N, a remarkable camera in its own right. Very good performer, though not quite as good as the good side of the NEX, but much less fussy, and more versatile.



Mar 02, 2012 at 01:58 PM
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p.1 #5 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


mco_970 wrote:
Is the photo link missing?

ETA:Nevermind! I see you are still posting.



get your popcorn ready.



Mar 02, 2012 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #6 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


As to the result, I will let each one judge. It is not a scientific test, not is it aimed every one of us. I am already in a tiny minority in shooting MF alt glass, so let's not stop at "the NEX doesn't have the native AF lenses I want/need". That is for each of us to decide, based on our individual requirements.
But, for me now, here's where I am at. The images I will show are as unfavorable to the NEX 7 as possible. A WA lens, pictures from which need to be Cornerfixed, a PITA. And an inside shot in low light, where its f:4.0 lens is battling a f2.0 competitor, on a turf owned by the 5D II. Yes the IQ balance in IMHO in the NEX's favor.
Yes, there are things the NEX can't do, like as thin DOF as an FF sensor. Yes, the availability of fast lenses is problematic.
But overall, I will test the 5D III. Unless there is a significant improvement in IQ, I will get a second NEX 7 and be done with DSLRs. As many manifacturers are now making M-mount compatible bodies (Leica, Fuji, Ricoh, Panasonic, Olympus), I contend that these companies will push this "standard" faster than Canon the EF mount with one release every 3+ years. Thus my investment in M glass is safe.

Please feel free to disagree. I have no copyright on The Truth, only on what works for me...:-)



Mar 02, 2012 at 02:09 PM
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p.1 #7 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


Philippe - you may want to post the files out so that the hungry masses can play around with them to force The Truth to emerge.


Mar 02, 2012 at 03:06 PM
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p.1 #8 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


And how do I do that, Corposant?


Mar 02, 2012 at 03:09 PM
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p.1 #9 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


philber wrote:
And how do I do that, Corposant?


http://www.dropbox.com/




Mar 02, 2012 at 03:10 PM
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p.1 #10 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


It seems that, in order to do that, I need to supply the e-mail adresses of those who want to share the file...


Mar 02, 2012 at 03:17 PM
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p.1 #11 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


Thanks for posting this, Philippe!

The detail quality difference in the church interior is massive, despite the magnification working in the opposite direction.



Mar 02, 2012 at 03:18 PM
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p.1 #12 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


philber wrote:
It seems that, in order to do that, I need to supply the e-mail adresses of those who want to share the file...


http://www.sendspace.com/ may work if you want just a link to the file. The forms asking for emails should be optional and will spit out a direct link for downloading.

On the comparisons, its probably a mixture of lens rendition and sensor quality but I prefer the 5DMKII files tonality coolness versus the NEX7. How this translate to me personally on whether this difference in IQ is worth carrying around a DSLR I'm still unsure about.



Mar 02, 2012 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #13 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


Nice write up there philber.
From image quality seams like a big difference but I am looking on my work's monitor ATM. The detail is lacking IMO for the NEX-7 but at the same time quality little great its almost hard to tell apart excluding the color differences.



Mar 02, 2012 at 03:26 PM
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p.1 #14 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


philber wrote:
It seems that, in order to do that, I need to supply the e-mail adresses of those who want to share the file...


Create public photo galleries in your dropbox Photos folder
You can create a public link to any folder in your Photos folder. These links can be shared and your public galleries can be viewed by anyone who has the link. Like files in your Public folder, if you no longer wish to share a particular photo in your public gallery, all you need to do is move it out of the Photos folder. If you don't use the links to your photo galleries, your photos are safe and sound from public viewing, nestled securely behind your login.



Mar 02, 2012 at 03:31 PM
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p.1 #15 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


Thank you for sharing


Mar 02, 2012 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #16 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


I get a little frustrated with the delay when I put the nex7 evf to my eye before it turns on. There is a small sensor I can tape over to leave it on - need to do this.

Bracketing on the 7 is just lame.

Other than that, for me, files from the 7 with the zeiss 25 are amazing, as I think your samples show. It is quite a camera.



Mar 02, 2012 at 04:44 PM
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p.1 #17 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


philber wrote:
It seems that, in order to do that, I need to supply the e-mail adresses of those who want to share the file...



I'll host them for you if that's what you really wanna do. I personally see no need for it however. Send them to tesselator at gmail dot com if so anyway.

The 5D2 is clearly trouncing the Nex7. Slapping it around like a red-headed step-child!




Mar 02, 2012 at 05:08 PM
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p.1 #18 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


On these particular images, the 5D2 images look a *little* more appealing to my eye. They still look very good though.


Mar 02, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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p.1 #19 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


The 5DII is much sharper on some of these test shots though. The NEX-7 has nice colour, and if the total resolution isn't needed, then its other advantages may make this a moot point.


Mar 02, 2012 at 05:39 PM
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p.1 #20 · Battle of the walkabouts: NEX 7 faces off with 5D II....


the 5D shots have more vignetting (which i like).


Mar 02, 2012 at 06:05 PM
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