I know this is based on specs and previews, but anyhow....
In the UK a 1DIV and a 5D3 (with grip) aren't too far apart price-wise, so is there actually any reason to take the 1D over the 5D? I actually put in an order a couple of days ago for the 1DIV but have swapped it for a 5D3 preorder.
5D3 has advantages:
22MP
Digic 5
FF
61pt AF
Low noise apparently
1DIV has advantages:
Slightly better weather sealing
A few more fps
Dedicated processor for AF
Both have:
Vertical shutter button (when grip is used)
So, unless you NEED 10fps over 6fps, only shoot with telephotos or plan on working in a shower, surely the new-tech of the 5D3 is a no-brainer? Have I missed something?
I think you missed the point here...the 1DIV is fast for a reason, and 10fps is not just a few more fps than 6fps....it's a huge difference when you are using this tool what it's intended for. Also, a lot of sport/wildlife shooters like the extra reach you get with 1.3x.
artsupreme wrote:
I think you missed the point here...the 1DIV is fast for a reason, and 10fps is not just a few more fps than 6fps....it's a huge difference when you are using this tool what it's intended for. Also, a lot of sport/wildlife shooters like the extra reach you get with 1.3x.
I used to shoot with a 1D2N so yes I'm aware of the 1D niche. I think that you therefore agree with my last sentence: if you solely shoot fast moving things a long way away (some wildlife and sports) then a 1D is the only choice. I shoot wildlife and only need lightning fast fps and AF part of the time.
As a sports shooter, the 1DIV is more attractive to me. 10fps is very important, and the built-like-a-tank body is also very important when I'm running to the media room with two cameras with lenses and monopod attached and I don't want to have to worry about damaging the equipment when I accidently bump it against a stairway railing or elevator door. I don't have a preference one way or the other about the 1.3 crop: I can live with or without it.
Since I shoot just about everything from portraits and landscapes to sports/action and wildlife I bought my mkIV to have the best performance between both worlds of crop and FF, and being a hobbyist it may be overkill since I'm not a pro and won't be shooting sports in the rain.
I recently posted a similar thread on DPR so I'm also on the fence between these two .......I'm an occasional wildlife shooter and could crop the higher res file to offset the 1.3x factor.......and since used, pristine mkIV's are demanding $4k I'm wondering if I may be better off with the 5DIII......
I own a 1DmkIV and a 5DmkII, and for IQ the 5DmkII beats the 1D. The 1D has a lot of really nice features, but still mssing a couple from the 5D (electronic 1st curtain, integrated movie/stills mode). Electronic 1st curtain is essential when shooting tethered or via Live View. MLU is the only option with the current 1D-series (1Dx will have electronic 1st curtain). And MLU is clearly inferior to el 1st curtain, as demonstrated by numerous people.
One thing I really like with the 1D though, is AF at f8. But then, this is not possible with the new 1DX, as you already know from all the bickering on the Net about it.
As a someone who focuses on wildlife, I wouldn't give up my 1D4 for it. It is worth it to me to have the FPS and much better weather sealing. Many would disagree and that's fine.
As far the battery life goes, I think I read a grip for the MkIII is gonna run $500, so by the time you buy an extra battery and grip, you just bought a very nice condition used 1D4. Prices aren't all that different.
Also, the Canon optional grips are pretty horrid from a weather sealing point of view. They intrude into the body by removing the battery door and then insert all the way up into the body.
Traditionally, the grip itself doesn't have any weather sealing around the battery door area to replace the lost weather seal from removing the door. The 1D series is much better with an integrated grip.
I make sure not to have the grips attached on my 7D and 5D2 when going out in rainy weather. Not sure if the 5D3 will be the same.
For birding and wildlife, having good weather sealing, 10fps and f/8 AF makes the 1Div very useful still, even when put head to head against the 5D3.
Kind of the same boat here. I shoot dog agility on the weekends, a lot of it indoors (even throughout the summer) so I'm constantly shooting ISO6400 (and could really use another stop of ISO). For fun I like to shoot wildlife/birds etc (not getting paid for that like agility).
Anyway, right now I have a 1d III and a 7d and I had been thinking about getting a 1d IV but the price was keeping me back (I would rather buy new then used and have a years warranty). The 5d III seems like a good compromise (a bit cheaper new to new) with some of the newer tech Canon has. It should handle dog agility very nicely (better ISO and assuming great AF). My dilemma is that I do shoot the 1d with a 400mm f/5.6 with a TC for my wildlife shooting and I'd be missing that on the 5d III. Of course my 1d isn't going to shrivel up and not shoot anymore but it would be nice to use a new camera for everything.
I should probably sell the 7d, all my ef-s glass (I'm going to miss my Sigma 30 f1.4!!) and keep the 1d III and pick up a 5d III.
Pretty sure I read that the 5DIII uses a separate processor for AF as well... Was on the Canon tech sheet, it kind of surprised me. I may be wrong though and I misread.
Invertalon wrote:
Pretty sure I read that the 5DIII uses a separate processor for AF as well... Was on the Canon tech sheet, it kind of surprised me. I may be wrong though and I misread.
You are correct. The 5D3 has a dedicated AF processor which works together with the main processor (Digic 5) in controlling auto focus. The 5D3's dedicated processor by itself is 4x faster than the one found in the 1D4.
alexhibbert wrote:
I know this is based on specs and previews, but anyhow....
In the UK a 1DIV and a 5D3 (with grip) aren't too far apart price-wise, so is there actually any reason to take the 1D over the 5D? I actually put in an order a couple of days ago for the 1DIV but have swapped it for a 5D3 preorder.
5D3 has advantages:
22MP
Digic 5
FF
Low noise apparently
1DIV has advantages:
Slightly better weather sealing
A few more fps
Dedicated processor for AF
Both have:
Vertical shutter button (when grip is used)
61-pt AF
So, unless you NEED 10fps over 6fps, only shoot with telephotos or plan on working in a shower, surely the new-tech of the 5D3 is a no-brainer? Have I missed something?...Show more →
The dury is out on the AF, since although 5D III only uses 1 digic V+, it's so much faster than digic 4, Canon said the cpu for 5D III AF is 4x faster than for 1D IV. It may still be better.
6fps is not even close to 10fps. I have 7D and 1D III and now 1D IV and even that is a big difference.
I'll be using them as the ultimate 2 camera set-up.
stargazer78 wrote:
You are correct. The 5D3 has a dedicated AF processor which works together with the main processor (Digic 5) in controlling auto focus. The 5D3's dedicated processor by itself is 4x faster than the one found in the 1D4.
Which means that you'll notice not all. Really the MkIV is already super fast - what is the Digic 5 gonna save you - 3 milliseconds?
kewlcanon wrote:
Does it have EV compensation in manual mode like Nikon ?.
Of course they are called shutter speed and aperture controls...that s manual shooting we are talking about.
On Nikon you adjust ev on canon you adjust aperture or shutter speed.
Still scratching why u would need ev control with a built in light meter plus normal controls but anyway...
Nope, on my D700 I can adjust shutter, aperture, and EV in manual mode, when to use it, this article explains it (the subsection When to Use EV Compensation):
dehowie wrote:
Of course they are called shutter speed and aperture controls...that s manual shooting we are talking about.
On Nikon you adjust ev on canon you adjust aperture or shutter speed.
Still scratching why u would need ev control with a built in light meter plus normal controls but anyway...
but it would be nice to use a new camera for everything.