michaelwatkins wrote:
Provided designers of the new camera shave enough off their existing SLR/DSLR mount depth, adapting existing full frame lenses should be a trivial task. The makers should produce their own adapters and legitimize re-purposing of their own lenses, too.
If Nikon (^ insert favorite maker here) were to come out with a system having a new, narrower, flange focal length, then all of Nikon's existing FX lenses could be used on the new system, as well as Zeiss ZF and, egads, Canon's lenses -- as long as they shave off enough distance to allow for reliable adapters to be produced.
I was hopeful, for a time, that Nikon would do this -- some sort of shallow f-mount, like the relationship between micro-4/3 and 4/3. If they had done so, I would likely have never considered the NEX (or anything else). I would love to have a compact system with its own dedicated lenses, as well as AF and stabilization with standard f-mount lenses.
Who knows -- now that Nikon has been developing phase-detect sensor-based AF with the 1 series, maybe they'll take a leap. Leaping is something Nikon seems congenitally reluctant to do, but maybe it will happen....
philip_pj wrote:
Looking through all the lenses listed in the NEX lineup thread, all the 'wider than 28mm effective' ones are oddballs from CV (Leica M mount lenses), Sigma, Samyang, and the pretty ordinary Sony 16mm. People are 'making do'.
None ranks with a Distagon 21mm or either 25mm, Leica 19mm, the slow RF 24mm Leica philber uses, Nikon's 14-24mm, the various RF Zeiss 24-25mm, let alone the fast 24mms - all on full frame. Many of these are fabulous lenses, even in deep corners. The NEX lot are not even in the same region, even though they 'work'.
Reading this I thought of the leica WATE. With 16mm it would behave as an 24mm on the NEX with is quite okey as wide angle.
Anyone tried this one on the NEX?
Seeing the results of my 18mm leica, and knowing the WATE has the same performance, it would be a stunning combo.
And no need for that frankenfinder
FlyPenFly wrote:
I wonder if there ever will be an amazing wide angle prime for any of the mirrorless cameras. It seems to be a niche nobody wants to fill. Even MFT which has the really good Panasonic 7-14 is only a zoom.
Well, there's the Samyang 14/2.8. Not RF or small but fast and top IQ. If I didnt have that I'd go slow with CV 15 (or perhaps 12). But ok, maybe the CV's are bad on the high density NEX 7, but I dont care much as the 16MP 5N seem to handle them really well.
Besides, the 8-16 Sigma is probably better than most realize. It tops Sigmas new 12-24 mark II that tried to mimic the 8-16's performance on an FF. I had the new 12-24 for a few days before returning it. If I knew I'd go NEX I'd kept the 8-16 which I used on a Canon 7D.
Some other large SLR zooms should do good on the NEX too. I have a 17-40L which is large - but light. On a 5D2 it's super sharp (I have a good copy) across 90% of the frame, on an APS-C it should be a 100. An adapter or planned usage is needed though which of course is a drag.
I wouldnt fall to much with statements such as "FF lenses loosing their magic on an APS-C". If the low-density super-priced M9 make magic happen that's fine, but the similar-density 5D2 would do the same (AA filter neutralized in both directions). APS-C is another game, with both virtues and drawbacks.
uhoh7 wrote:
I don't think the wait will be long. Leica is more profitable right now than Sony. We will have M Mount FFs within 18 months, I'd bet.
It would be interesting to see how such a thing might emerge. Cosina has a reason, given their rangefinder lens line, but I'm not sure how successful they felt their first digital rangefinder was. If they were to do it, it would probably be a retro M-alike with an optical rangefinder, a la the RD1S and Zeiss Ikon -- but I'm not sure that's really what would take the market by storm. Sony, on the other hand, has amazing sensor and EVF technology, and could probably make one hell of a non-rangefinder M-mount camera. I can't really see them building a camera for someone else's lenses, though.
sebboh wrote:
...besides cameras don't have souls, the people using them have to inject theirs into them. cameras are all just ugly hunks of metal (or more recently plastic). people using old cameras as style accessories always amuse me. i'm sure whatever mirrorless cameras become really successful and have some future famous photography names use them will seem like they had soul to our equivalents 50 years from now (the difference is they won't last 50 years since they're electronic rather than mechanical)
Apply that description to cars and the statement rapidly disintegrates. Or furniture, watches, pens... There is an inherent "character" or soul whatever you want to call it, that the original creator(s) put into an object. That makes for good design, sculpture, art etc.
YMMV.
Jeff Kott wrote:
Personally, I'm ok if my camera bodies don't have "soul" as long as my lenses do (and work well on the soul-less cameras).
I completely agree.. Maybe a NEX 5N + a Noktor 50/0.95 or a Zeiss 18/3.5?
dasrocket wrote:
Apply that description to cars and the statement rapidly disintegrates. Or furniture, watches, pens... There is an inherent "character" or soul whatever you want to call it, that the original creator(s) put into an object. That makes for good design, sculpture, art etc.
YMMV.
nope, that's called style not soul. besides cars are the only thing you list that actually performs a function, the rest are just art pieces. what you call soul in those items (and i call style) can be observed without actually using them (and often when you try to use them it inhibits their functionality).
Smiert Spionam wrote:
It would be interesting to see how such a thing might emerge. Cosina has a reason, given their rangefinder lens line, but I'm not sure how successful they felt their first digital rangefinder was. If they were to do it, it would probably be a retro M-alike with an optical rangefinder, a la the RD1S and Zeiss Ikon -- but I'm not sure that's really what would take the market by storm. Sony, on the other hand, has amazing sensor and EVF technology, and could probably make one hell of a non-rangefinder M-mount camera. I can't really see them building a camera for someone else's lenses, though. ...Show more →
The sensor is obviously the key. FF prices are going to come down and Kodak-like tweaks will be made for the RF lenses.
The nex has put leica glass in the noses of the DSLR geeks. The cat is out of the bag. The RF lens ethos has evoloved from esoteric to hipster bling.
Technology by itself is cold and frightening, but technology which incorporates history: very compelling.
But the heart of the matter is pure math. Big sensor, compact lens, close to pocket size for 6x7 like resoulution. Who is going to argue with that?
It's a supermodel rocket scientist High performance AND romance!
'jonoslack' has this lens set, here is what he had to say recently at getdpi:
'However I've just been testing the WATE (leica 16-18-21 tri-elmar) and the 24 f1.4 summilux on the NEX5n. I'm not sure that I'd actually want to use them much (I'd rather use them on the M9) but they seem to work really well - no obvious colour shifts, perfectly useable wide open - sharp corners - minimal vignetting.'
jono is a very knowledgable guy, I respect his opinion.
So maybe you are right, but I shudder at the cost. Eek, just looked it up - $6295. The 21/2.8 Distagon is around $1850 new, for example. Of course, you still only get out to 24mm on NEX - at the widest end of the WATE. And the other two FLs are now more differentiated as well: 18>27mm and 21>32mm, and therefore a different lens in an important way - or so it seems to me. Interesting lens, though, I bet it's good..
uhoh7 wrote:
I don't think the wait will be long. Leica is more profitable right now than Sony. We will have M Mount FFs within 18 months, I'd bet.
@ 18 months. Bahahahaaa...
Applauds @ Leica being more profitable than the human labor exploiting e-junk maker Sony!
But I think the company most poised in the market right now to pull off a FF mirrorless is Pentax - who has already shown their willingness to market and manufacturer a deep mount mirrorless model.
I use a NEX5 and a Nikon D700 side by side. I find them to complement each other well. Sometimes I make a picture with the NEX to see that I should take out the D700 with a Nikkor or sometimes the other way around, that I have to take the NEX and put an Industar in front Based on my experience so far, I'd recommend to use both the NEX and a DSLR system.
Once you add a big lens to the NEX camera the overall package is little different from a small Canon or Nikon DSLR and the portability aspect and compact size are negated while you still have the drawbacks of a camera without a viewfinder and instead of poor autofocus you go to having no autofocus - yup makes sense to me.
Applauds @ Leica being more profitable than the human labor exploiting e-junk maker Sony!
But I think the company most poised in the market right now to pull off a FF mirrorless is Pentax - who has already shown their willingness to market and manufacturer a deep mount mirrorless model.
After the Q and the K-01, Pentax has lost all hope from me. Can't mount an M lens on the K-01, anyways.
Sony is rumored to release a 135 camera with some kind of hybrid mount in 2013, and I think that is the first hope for a 135 mirrorless that accepts M lenses.
Any frustrated NEX users wanting wide angles without the corner problems, considered the Tokina 11-16, yet? It's the darling of video currently, although with Sony Alpha-NEX LA-ea1 we're talking big and about 800 grams and $800.
@ 18 months. Bahahahaaa...