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p.1 #1 · Moonrise Moonset and Florida advice, please!


OK, firstly a couple more from last weeks trip to Point Lonsdale. Moonrise on Wednesday night, moonset Thursday morning.
Now, onto Florida...we are visiting Florida early April, planning time at Everglades National Park, Dry Tortugas NP, Biscayne NP and US Virgin Islands NP (after spending time at Petrified Forest, Guadalupe NP and Big Bend NP in Texas). Whilst most of the planning is pretty straight forward I am hoping to get some advice on visiting Biscayne in particular. This park is 95% underwater (yes, I have just received an underwater Lumix P&S which should do a reasonable job) but its getting out to the Islands of Biscayne that is proving quite a challenge. There are 2 campgrounds at Biscayne on 2 different islands, they are both only about 7 miles off shore. We are hoping to camp one night, but the National Park concessionaire that can get you out to the islands charges $390 for a return trip for 2! And after hunting around forever there just doesn't seem to be any other options unless you have your own boat. So I am hoping that a fellow FMer may have done the same trip and have some ideas. I'm a terrible swimmer, but for $390 I'm willing to try and swim out there, gear and all!
And any other advice, especially re Everglades would be greatly appreciated, its such a big area that its difficult to know where to start.
cheers, and thanks! Andrew






Feb 13, 2012 at 06:35 PM
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I've only visited Biscayne NP on shore, but I can't imagine what you would expect to shoot out there that can't be found in the Keys. If it's underwater stuff, there are lots of places for that on many of the Keys, much easier to get to.

When I visit the Everglades, the road to Flamingo has Anhinga Trail with lots of birds and gators, as well as other trails and stops with wildlife. Shark Valley, on US 41, is another good spot for wildlife. Big Cypress has several back roads that will show you some interesting landscapes and wildlife.

Is this what you are looking for?



Feb 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM
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Thanx Stan, thats a great start, I'll investigate a bit more what you have suggested.
As for visiting Biscayne, we are on a quest to visit the 58 USA National Parks (38 so far), so we are trying to make them the main focus of our visits and it seems a shame to only see the coastal area of Biscayne - you don't know anyone with a boat, do you?!
cheers Andrew



Feb 13, 2012 at 09:34 PM
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Andrew,
The moon was a very important element in both shots. I love both!
Fred



Feb 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM
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Thanx Fred, I totally agree! I planned the evening one, the morning was a bonus.
cheers Andrew



Feb 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM
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Andrew, I can't help with Biscayne, not having been there, although I did pose your questions to a fried who works for the NPS regional research office.

You will want to visit the Anhinga Trail, maily for the birds. Even if landscape is your primary objective, you'll enjoy the close proximity of a large variety of birds at Anhinga. It becomes less concentrated as the water levels go up, but should still be active in April. Also at the Royal Palm parking is a short, interesting nature trail called the Gumbo Limbo Trail. It is tame, but a good intro to the habitat.

Also from the Royal Palm area you can drive out into the backroads of the pine land and prairies south of the main road. Where the road is gated, you can continue by walking, and there are trails crossing the area. Parts of this are restoration areas, and you can get a feel for how that is going. If you go all the way on the road you can take a tour of the former Nike missile base.

As you drive down the main road to Flamingo you'll start in pineland and see the changeover to varied dwarf cypress prairies and cypress domes, with an occasional hardwood hammock or pine island. These can present a lot of landscape opportunities, depending on the weather and lighting. Planning for a long view over the prairies at sunset or sunrise can be rewarding. There are several side attractions along the road, notably Pa-hay-okee and Mahogany Hammock. They are worth a visit. Also stop at the several ponds created by borrow pits along the road; they can have good views or be the starting point for a wet walk. I particularly recommend Pine Glades Lake, on the edge of the pineland. There is a nice trail around it and it is scenic. Once you get closer to the coast the habitat will change again to mangroves, forests, and tidal marshes. There are a number of pull-off ponds, and trailheads in this section. The trails will be wet and muddy, but worth the effort to really experience the area.

I have taken the sunset "cruise" out of Flamingo, which goes out into the bay. It is OK if you want a sunset over open water. There are also boat trips into the inland waterways, which I think should be excellent, although I haven't taken one. Make a stop at Eco Pond, which can have a good selection of birds, and also offers an entrance to an unofficial trail onto the salt prairies, depending on the time of year and how muddy you want to get. Same thing for the Coastal Prairie Trail, which leaves from the campground and goes all the way to Cape Sable, if you are so inclined. It has a reputation for being very muddy.

[Added: I've not done it, but I think you can rent canoes or kayaks and paddle out to spend the night at a chickee in the mangrove wilderness. That would be excellent! Also, my friend says that taking the boat to Dry Tortugas isn't worth it unless you camp on the island; the remainder of the day between shuttles is too short. If you are prepared to camp, that would be the way to do it.]

Plan on getting to Anhinga early (<8:00, ideally), before the buses and casual tourists arrive. After that, plan on a full day to Flaimingo, with several stops; maybe sunset as you drive back across the prairies, and driving out after dark. I haven't stayed at the campground, but if you do, that will put you closer to the action than staying in Florida City.

If you are also going west on Tamiami Trail toward Big Cypress, I can offer suggestions on that, too.

Have fun, sounds like a great trip.

Dave



Feb 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM
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Andrew, here is some advice on Biscayne from Judd Patterson, an accomplished photographer who works for the NPS in the Miami area:

Boca Chita allows camping and is very popular. Half of the island is very historic (old coral lighthouse, open campground with scattered palms, and an old coral barn) and the other half is a buttonwood/mangrove forest. This was the party island for the Honeywell family. They would even bring elephants out the island for their big events. Wow! Camping here is crowded on weekends, but quite open on weekdays. The best way to get here is probably by rented boat. You could kayak over from Black Point Marina, but in rough conditions it wouldn't be fun. There are definitely mangroves along the edges of this island that should be explored. Red mangroves are a big feature of the park and when photographed right can be very attractive.

Elliott is a the big island. About 7 miles long it is dominated by interior hardwood hammock and coastal mangroves. The mosquitoes can be incredible at any time of the year...although sometimes it surprises you and is pleasant. There is a long "trail" that runs down the spine in both directions. This trail is nicknamed "Spite Highway" and was bulldozed by an enraged developer who was not allowed to build homes on the island in the 1950's. It was his last act before the island transferred to federal ownership. Spite highways has closed in quite a lot and is now more of a hiking trail. It is largely unexplored by photographers, but forays off the main trail should reveal hidden jewels such as solution holes (perhaps surrounded by palms and ferns) and there should be some impressive tropical hardwood hammock too. I'm not going to pretend that this island would be easy to photography, but with work and a bunch of patience it could be fun to shoot.

The best way to explore Biscayne is probably to rent a boat/kayak and slowly meander the many islands and mangrove channels in the southern end of the park. Then pair that with snorkeling on a site or two with the park concessionaire (I believe those trips are a more reasonable $45). They decide on locations, so I can't give too much guidance there. The park doesn't have the huge stony corals of the Caribbean, but it does have an very impressive soft corals (sea fans, sea whips, etc.) with scattered hard coral in between. The swaying purple sea fans always impress me...especially with a bunch of colorful parrotfish swimming around.

Judd was also surprised by the charges from the concessionaire for camping and will check with the park staff for alternatives.

Dave



Feb 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM
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Pick up a copy of florida sportsman magazine or go to their online forum. Post your question in the appropriate section. I am sure there would be a boat captain willing to ferry you to the islands for a lot less than 390.00.

Jim



Feb 14, 2012 at 12:14 AM
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Lovely shots here, Andrew. Love the lighting and soft mood in both.

Barry



Feb 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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Thanx Dave, thats some great info there, I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this, its certainly helping to get things a bit clearer in mind.
Jim, thats not a bad idea!
Thanx Barry, glad you liked them.......and just 3 minutes ago, we watched the start of Gone With The Wind to see that Old Mill we both know so well!
cheers Andrew



Feb 14, 2012 at 04:43 AM
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Can't help with the travel advice Andrew but these are fine shots you posted. The light in the second one is gorgeous.
David



Feb 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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That price for a round trip is rediculous. I lived on Key Biscayne for 40 years and as a Captain I used to charge $75 each way as it required 2 trips for me. Snorkling is great in the area, if you are planning to camp over nite, bring BUG spray as the no-seeums at dusk will eat the skin off of you. They only seem to bite from just before dusk till an hour after, but it can seem like an eternity. If your going to snorkle by yourselves, get a dive flag so some idiot doesn't run you over, it happens a couple times a year and it's not pleasant. It's a nice place to visit with much less traffic than the keys.


Feb 14, 2012 at 06:11 PM
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Thanx Capt....I totally agree, but looks like they have the service all to themselves...still looking at other options....
Thanx for those tips, too!
cheers Andrew



Feb 14, 2012 at 07:10 PM





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