curious80 wrote:
Sure but that puts into perspective the notion that canon will be doomed if they don't put a D800-like AF in 5DII successors. Plus note my second point as well that D800 has clearly left the D700 model and has gone for high-MP and a focus on video like 5DII. That seems to indicate that Nikon feels D700 model has not worked as well for them and that the 5DII model seems to be more successful. Don't get me wrong - I am not a fan of 5D series AF myself either. But people go a bit overboard with their predictions of doom or talking about how a manufacturer must include certain features. Each company comes up with its own product strategy and so far canon's strategy has worked for them. I do hope that D700 and D800 put enough pressure on canon that 5D series AF gets a good upgrade. However I would not expect 1-series AF....Show more →
Except, the premise is wrong.
The D700 was a great seller for Nikon and far exceeded their sales expectations. That is, how many they made to how many they sold. Unless you're in the camera retail industry and know something the rest of us don't.
Nikon reacted to the market when they released the D700. They have reacted to the changing times when they released the D800 (the D800 is not my market).
The whole thing also assumes people know what stragegic plan Nikon has going forward with other cameras.
What if the D400 had the D4 sensor? Cat among the pigeons there.
Nikon has been too slow to react to changing market conditions in the past. They still are (where the updated 80-400mm). And they've reacted appropriately to what currently happening. People seem to make it sound shameful.
nikt wrote:
Nikon reacted to the market when they released the D700. They have reacted to the changing times when they released the D800 (the D800 is not my market).
The whole thing also assumes people know what stragegic plan Nikon has going forward with other cameras.
What if the D400 had the D4 sensor? Cat among the pigeons there.
Nikon has been too slow to react to changing market conditions in the past. They still are (where the updated 80-400mm). And they've reacted appropriately to what currently happening. People seem to make it sound shameful.
I'm guessing that what is being said here is that Canon has been the leader and Nikon the follower when it comes to the most innovative features. I don't count great AF as innovative since that's been around before they put it into the D700. Maybe in terms of high ISO, Nikon my be a leader as well, but that's up for a debate that I don't want to get into. There's actually a competitive advantage to following, akin to drafting in auto racing, because it allows you to jump ahead easily.
Frankly it seems that Canon and Nikon will be locked into a bit of a stalemate. The 1Dx and D4 are so similar, they must have seen each others blueprints. I suspect that they knew what the other one was doing with the D800 and 5D3 (or whatever). That's probably why the D800 has 36MP, since most Nikonians weren't really asking for it and probably why the 5D3 will be somewhere in that neighborhood. Industrial espionage is cool, but it makes for a very boring competitive tech race.
bcguy wrote:
I absolutely agree. If you don't like what Canon offers, sell your gear and buy Nikon, or whichever company you feel is doing things right. It's a free market.
Be happy that there is a choice.
what are you talking about, canon has not counter offered anything yet. i just happen like what i see from nikon latest news and samples. i always like good toys that fits my pocket, don't U. i really don't care who made it, they all just tools to me
D800 is a good move from nikon, everyone can affort the decent tool from now on in this segment.
Why are people dismissing Canon's R&D and the 5D3 (or whatever it will be called) when we don't even know (remotely!) what it will be?
The D700 was a baby D3, the D800 is most assuredly NOT a baby D4. Not even close. Not a single consumer has even shot with a D800 so nobody actually knows its strengths/weaknesses. Geez, guys and gals, give it some time...
elicious wrote:
Why are people dismissing Canon's R&D and the 5D3 (or whatever it will be called) when we don't even know (remotely!) what it will be?
The D700 was a baby D3, the D800 is most assuredly NOT a baby D4. Not even close. Not a single consumer has even shot with a D800 so nobody actually knows its strengths/weaknesses. Geez, guys and gals, give it some time...
Hopefully it will be amazing and it certainly might be, but I think people are just wary after too many 20D -> 30D 'major' upgrades and the re-using of the 5D AF without adding outer cross points to it at least, and slowly dribbling out usable AutoISO (still not quite there yet) over nearly a decade now, Canon's arm having to be twisted off to add something so basic as manual control to 5D2 video, Canon still refusing allow manual audio gain for the 7D, not putting MFA into the 40D, removing MFA from the 60D ("so that the 7D and future 70D will look better"), etc. while they see Nikon generally trying to overflow the firmware and hardware with as many features as they are capable of producing (although Nikon has often appeared to be behind Canon in what they can produce they seem to have been way more willing to give out whatever they are capable of engineering or thinking up). Plus the comments by EOSfun that there will be some disappointment with it, at least by some.
Plus it's all just a bunch of gear gossip nonsense so don't take any wild rantings too seriously, people know it's not the end of the world.
jamesf99 wrote:
"There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not"?
Cool... if you are dreaming about questions like why must we still have starvation in the world or how can we get beyond racism or why can't we ensure that everyone has an education that allows them to achieve their potential or...
Not so significant... if you are dreaming about "Why can't I have 37 MP in my camera? and how come I can't have 38 MP? And I want 156 AF points!"
