I am thinking that the $300 extra (if that number pans out) may push me to the d800. It would take a very very heavy AA for the $300 to be worth it to me.
From my understanding, the moire effect can be removed post processing, therefore, the D800E would be the more versatile option between the two. I myself just don't want to be spending that much more time editing pictures as I already am.
I am sure both will be stellar cameras.
The other reason I am getting the D800 is that I don't think the people I am taking pictures of and for (family and friends) would notice a difference.
kkn89 wrote:
From my understanding, the moire effect can be removed post processing, .
That is totally incorrect. I've been asking a couple of digital MF shooters who know about this and deal with it daily and they say if moire shows up in your photo, you are screwed. Period. I'm thinking that as a "general outdoor phtographer," I'd be much better off with the filter. If I were a studio photographer it might be different. I want to see actual prints made with the camera at ISO 3200, 6400, and read some real user reviews before making any decisions if I'm buying either.
That is my fear as well. I dealt with it some on an old D70 that I had. While the software in camera and in post processing I am sure is far superior now, it was not easy to remove at that time at least. I think that I will be going for the D800?
Two23 wrote:
That is totally incorrect. I've been asking a couple of digital MF shooters who know about this and deal with it daily and they say if moire shows up in your photo, you are screwed. Period. I'm thinking that as a "general outdoor phtographer," I'd be much better off with the filter. If I were a studio photographer it might be different. I want to see actual prints made with the camera at ISO 3200, 6400, and read some real user reviews before making any decisions if I'm buying either.
Kent in SD
That's good to know. Thanks for the input. I don't know anyone who's dealt with the issue personally so I was just going based on what I've read. The D700 has always had an AA filter and I've always been satisfied. I think I'll feel the same with the D800. I'd rather not jump to something I'm not experienced. Thanks again!
As a jack of all trades type of photographer the d800 does not interest me at all. I have been shoting with the d3x for the better part of 3 years and the files it produces with an AA filter are phenomenal. The last thing I need is a moire pattern showing up on a studio shoot. If I was primarily a landscape or product photographer I would be all over it
Two23 wrote:
That is totally incorrect. I've been asking a couple of digital MF shooters who know about this and deal with it daily and they say if moire shows up in your photo, you are screwed. Period. I'm thinking that as a "general outdoor phtographer," I'd be much better off with the filter. If I were a studio photographer it might be different. I want to see actual prints made with the camera at ISO 3200, 6400, and read some real user reviews before making any decisions if I'm buying either.
Kent in SD
That's understandable, since your friends didn't have Lightroom 4 yet, as it is just coming out. LR4 has moire removal, also Nikon announced that they are brining out an update of Capture NX2 with moire removal, to deal with D800E files.
D800E for me, if it performs up to snuff. I'm an old landscape shooter from 4x5 and 8x10 Deardorff days and I'm too old to lug those beasts around.
I'll be interested to see the capability of the new NX moire removal which, it is reported, Nikon will include with the camera instead of forcing an extra purchase.
Now, if Nikon will only give me a T/S like Canon's that can move both axes independently...
Two23 wrote:
That is totally incorrect. I've been asking a couple of digital MF shooters who know about this and deal with it daily and they say if moire shows up in your photo, you are screwed. Period. I'm thinking that as a "general outdoor phtographer," I'd be much better off with the filter. If I were a studio photographer it might be different. I want to see actual prints made with the camera at ISO 3200, 6400, and read some real user reviews before making any decisions if I'm buying either.
Kent in SD
I'm with Kent on this...gonna wait to see actual prints...also, see how nikon's software or Lightroom 4 with moire removal really work...
then again, how long before nikon gives us a mirror-less 24-36mp FX body? something lighter, smaller, with a swiveling lcd, that can use my older 'd' lenses with fabulous results?...okokok, I'm dreamin' a little...
I've been shooting the M9 (no AA filter) for about 2 years now and can count the number of frames where it has been an issue on one hand. Mostly for landscape, but plenty of the kiddos wearing types of cloth that could present a moire challenge.
If it is true that high mp cameras reduce moire problem, and Steve has very small problems with his 18mp M9, it seems like the D800e with double the mp won't have too much problem with moire. We'll have to see.
Don't tell my friends.