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Brian Virts
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So, I met a client last week. It's a pretty large, profitable situation, but they are rewriting my contract! Which in the past has always been an immediate deal-breaker for me. I'm looking for feedback from the forum to see how you would handle this. Right now, I'm pretty much going to tell them I've booked the date. Below is their email to me this morning. Thoughts? Thanks!!!

Brian,

Hi. It was a great pleasure to meet you in person. We are very excited to have you as a photographer. We can’t wait till to see your lovely photos of our daughter’s wedding.

As I had stated to you at the meeting, most important aspects in the agreement/contract is the provision for privacy. After studying your contract, I've taken the liberty of asking some suggestions/revisions/additions/improvements. I have listed them below.

A. Please include the identification-infos with address, phone number, email, etc. of “Brian Virts Photography” within the contract. Is “Brian Virts Photography” a company (Inc., LLC, etc.)? Otherwise, change the first sentence of “1. ENTIRE AGREEMENT...” to “1. ENTIRE AGREEMENT: This agreement contains the entire understanding between Brian Virts, known as “Brian Virts Photography” and THE CLIENT whose signature(s) appear on this contract...”

B. The fee (“the wedding photography package”) should be paid in three installments. First payment is “Reservation Deposit of $500.00”; the second payment of $1000.00 is due on the wedding date; the final third payment of $1000.00 is on a later pre-arranged date when digital files of photographs are turned over to THE CLIENT.

C. As I discussed during our meeting at Cafe Nola, the provision for “privacy” is very important. I was very happy to find out that you have no intention to sell the wedding photos or to use for commercial purpose other than the promotional purpose; in this case, it is much simpler to transfer the copyright ownership to the CLIENT in order to prevent any usage that can be harmful to the CLIENT. Accordingly, I changed the section 10 as below:

10. The photographs, digital negatives or prints produced by Brian Virts Photography are protected by Copyright Law (all rights reserved). Upon the final third payment by THE CLIENT, the full copyright ownership of all images will be transferred to THE CLIENT. If Brian Virts Photography desires to use the images for any purpose, a permission must be obtained from the client.

Please remove the section 12 due to “privacy concern”.

D. Section 20, 21, 22 and 24 contains subjective/ambiguous/possibly confusing terms such as “other emergencies”, “conditions beyond its control”, etc. These are subjective/unclear and can create unforseen disputes. Every individual interprets the same situation differently. I know of one photographer who was pregnant at near term during a wedding event; I am sure that clients appreciated her. What if a photographer does not shown up due to a personal relationship crisis/event? It would be much simpler/easier to include a method of resolving potential conflicts in the contract. Such method is an arbitration. With the arbitration clause, no one will be capitalizing on an unfair advantage.

Sections 20, 21, and 22 should be replaced with.

Arbitration:

Any dispute arising under or in any way related to this agreement shall be submitted to binding arbitration by the American Arbitration Association in accordance with the Association’s commercial rules then in effect. The arbitration shall be conducted in the state of Maryland. The arbitration shall be binding on the parties and the arbitration award may be confirmed by any court of competent jurisdiction.

E. The section 28 is vague/not clearly defined/excessively broad.

For a hypothetical example, what if someone from Brian Virts Photography falls and gets injured, Client cannot assume the liability for other’s fault. What if someone at the Musket Ridge destroys your expensive equipment? These are within a domain of liability insurance; this is why businesses such as Brian Virts Photography and Musket Ridge have business/professional liability insurances.

Although the clause of arbitration would also clarify above potential situations, I am willing to include a narrower indemnification clause. The section 28 should be replaced with

Indemnification:

THE CLIENT shall indemnify and hold harmless Photographer from any loss, damage or liability resulting from THE CLIENT’s violation of the terms of this Agreement or any agreement involving The Client and the Photographer.


If you agree with me, please let me know. We can sign an amended contract and put the reservation deposit to you as soon as possible, hopefully by the end of this week. Can you also send me a text file of your contract in order for me to incorporate amendments?

Thank you for your kind consideration.



Best regards,

_______



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Ben Horne
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p.1 #2 · Client contract rewrite!


Wow, that's pretty ballzy of them. If they truly want to own the copyright, they need to pay for it.... and *substantially* at that. Otherwise, it's like me walking into McDonalds' corporate office, and handing them a note scribbled on a greasy napkin informing them that I now own the trademark for "Chicken McNuggets"


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:26 AM
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p.1 #3 · Client contract rewrite!


Are they some kind of lawyer? Holy wtf Batman.


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:32 AM
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p.1 #4 · Client contract rewrite!


Attorney clients?


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Brian Virts
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p.1 #5 · Client contract rewrite!


I think the guy is an attorney. I mean, the verbiage and alterations are so precise. This guy really knows what he's signing! So, I don't know, maybe this is a learning experience?? but then I think, do I need mission impossible??


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:37 AM
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p.1 #6 · Client contract rewrite!


I would be polite and bow out. No chance in HELL I am turning over copyright. Printing rights sure but the photos are mine.
These people are bitches and think they know it all. Fine whatever more fish in the sea. I have done simple changes a few times with people and it has been fine but they are asking to make substantial changes that I would not be comfortable with.

Tell them no.



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:41 AM
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p.1 #7 · Client contract rewrite!


yowza.

The copyright part would really bug me, personally...to give up the copyrights it would definitely have to cost more.



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:43 AM
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Yeah, I would not feel comfortable doing this. I've had clients as for certain parts of the contract to be changed, but nothing to this extent. Just gives me an overall bad feeling. Basically putting them in control.


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:47 AM
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p.1 #9 · Client contract rewrite!


To give up your copyright and then to have to get permission from them so you can use your own images for simple promotional purposes is not something I would agree to for what they are paying. If they want copyright ownership then they should have to pay additionally for that right.



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Brian Virts
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p.1 #10 · Client contract rewrite!


Anyone care to write a perfect, eloquent NO response email to this?


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:49 AM
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p.1 #11 · Client contract rewrite!


Thank you for your e-mail. Go Away.



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:54 AM
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p.1 #12 · Client contract rewrite!


Much depends on how much you want this couple and how much more of a PITA you feel they could be later on. I usually find that the people who are a PITA upfront generally get worse and worse.

OTOH if this guy is using this as a negotiating point and you feel like negotiating, then everything is up for negotiation, including the requirement to pay a substantial fee for the copyright (e.g. $5K or more) since their photos, or lack of them in your portfolio, may cause you loss of future business, for which you will need compensating in advance.

Personally, I'd just say thank-you, but I don't vary my terms and conditions to this extent.



Feb 02, 2012 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #13 · Client contract rewrite!


#10 would be a no-go for me. If they want the copyright, it should cost them much more. I can't imagine writing my clients for permission to use a picture that I took.


Feb 02, 2012 at 11:59 AM
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p.1 #14 · Client contract rewrite!


Nobody wants someone like an attorney to come in and amend your contract, after all your attorney wrote it to be in your favor and he / she wants to redo it in their favor. Other than the copyright grab what else can't you live with? Why do they want copyright?
Many photographers say "my way or the highway" and if clients have any questions, requests for changes, issues with contracts they are bitches, or bridezillas or crazy. Don't take it personally, it's a lawyer doing their thing. He saw some holes in your contract (like what kind of entity is Brian Virts Photography) and it might be beneficial to correct that.
To me it sounds like they want to be sure they get the pix, be sure that there is a plan B if you can't shoot the wedding, and concerns about liability and indemnification.

If you want to shoot the gig, and the other changes aren't dealbreakers, make a counter offer regarding copyright transfer. Principle aside, what are the pictures worth to you? What are they worth to the client?



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Feb 02, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Brian Virts
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p.1 #15 · Client contract rewrite!


There is an interesting back story to this client. Well, at least when they contacted me initially I was "too expensive", and then they ran into a past client of mine who owns a shop in the Historic area where I live. This past client raves about me, so I guess this new prospect had a change of heart, and wanted me now. They have some pretty grand intentions with a vintage car and all this stuff, which is cool, but even at the client interview I got the feeling that they were a little "difficult"...

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Feb 02, 2012 at 12:01 PM
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p.1 #16 · Client contract rewrite!


Wow dude, uhh unless you really need the money I wouldn't do it.

On a separate note, I had a client of mine re-write my contract. For the good actually. Her job is to write contracts for patients so the wordings were AMAZING! So pretty much a free deal for me. I couldn't thank her more!

Sorry you gotta go through this w/ your client though man.

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Feb 02, 2012 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #17 · Client contract rewrite!


I disagree with everyone else on this. Everything here except the copyright thing seems pretty reasonable, from their point of view.

I would simply push back a bit on the copyright issue. Explain that they have printing and reproduction rights for personal purposes in perpetuity, but that you retain copyright of the photos. Seems fair to agree to additional privacy measures if they are concerned about being submitted to blogs and magazines, but it doesn't mean they own the copyright.

Conversely, you could quote them an additional fee to buy the copyright.

Either way, this doesn't sound so harsh to me. Did they seem reasonable in person? Then they probably will be fine as clients. I think they're just trying to make sure they don't get burned. And if the guy is a lawyer, then that explains the nitpicking. It is perfectly normal in big business transactions for each party to rework the contract. It's a negotiation, not a deal-breaker.

Edit: yeah, I'd push back on the payment terms too...

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Feb 02, 2012 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #18 · Client contract rewrite!


Walk away. Give up all rights to your images for $2,500? Plus, why would you want clients that are setting you up to be sued the second you appear to violate even the tiniest aspect of "his" contract.

I would reply something like this: "Dear ________, while I fully appreciate the time and energy that went into crafting the various alterations to my contract that you suggest, I regret that I cannot agree to these changes. I believe that you would be better served by another photographer for your daughter's wedding. Thank you for the opportunity to meet with you, and my best wishes for a terrific wedding day. Sincerely, [you].

The dad is clearly a litigator, so don't get into to much detail in your message. Just politely say "thank you for your time" and move on.



Feb 02, 2012 at 12:05 PM
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I got to letter B and holy crap. They're rewriting your payment terms. uhh...


Feb 02, 2012 at 12:07 PM
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p.1 #20 · Client contract rewrite!


now I got to #10.



Fug that.



Feb 02, 2012 at 12:08 PM
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