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p.56 #1 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

I think it's funny that the discussion about this new camera has more pages than the thread with images of the X100. :-)

Jan 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM

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h00ligan wrote:
Lotusm50 wrote:
h00ligan wrote:
Spyro P. wrote:
well if there's no parallax correction on the OVF I may as well get any NEX or M4:3 and stick an external VF on the hotshoe for $100, why bother with this camera?
I've done that by the way and hated it... parallax correction is fairly inaccurate as it is, but no correction whatsoever is a whole new level of inaccuracy.

I doubt highly they won't offer parallax correction

Why not? The Contax G2 had parallax correction. It may not be perfectly accurate (as someone suggested)
but it really is miles better than no correction.

They will offer it. My question was if the new adapter can somehow make it work with M lenses too.

Jan 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

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tomrock wrote:
I think it's funny that the discussion about this new camera has more pages than the thread with images of the X100. :-)

Ain't funny, only natural. Cameras ain't for takin' pichures.

Jan 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

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michaelwatkins wrote:
tomrock wrote:
I think it's funny that the discussion about this new camera has more pages than the thread with images of the X100. :-)

Ain't funny, only natural. Cameras ain't for takin' pichures.

Cameras are a sub-hobby within the main hobby of taking pictures

Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:...sigh, wish they would have gone with a contax style, zooming optical finder. Thats almost useless with a longer lens.

No more useless than any Leica with a 90mm lens.

Jan 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM

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miloz wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:...sigh, wish they would have gone with a contax style, zooming optical finder. Thats almost useless with a longer lens.

No more useless than any Leica with a 90mm lens.

Exactly... for Leica Rangefinders at least! SLR, EVF or zoom optical are better for longer than normal lenses.

Jan 15, 2012 at 01:57 AM

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ceder wrote:
Normally I do not care about noise, I shoot at base ISO. But what do you think about the noise at 3200 in the in-camera JPGs?

Hugo Poon has some samples

Someone said the X-Pro1 has the same sensor as the Sony, but the sony has terrible noise smearing, and this looks much much better. Must say the noise is much more beautiful than my 5D II at 3200 - well at least in these samples. I am not familiar with the Nikon D3s, but any likeness? Maybe I will start using higher ISOs...

I have been looking at these samples very closely and even asked Moon if he was using any NR software and he said he was Neat image lightly applied.So it looks really good but hard to say just how good it really is with out seeing shots without the NR applied.
-Jim

Jan 15, 2012 at 02:06 AM

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If that's with NR isn't that terrible... errr, I mean no different than just about any other APS-C... ? Up to 2,500 ISO my GH1 looks just about the same - (with no NR applied)... Besides the streaks that the early Panasonics have that is. His 3,200 samples best the GH1 considerably tho.

His 400 ISO sample was for sure raked with an NR package of some kind... UG! Dead smeary washed detail!

Jan 15, 2012 at 02:19 AM

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edwardkaraa wrote:
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Many many moons, and when it does happen it will probably be by accident.
In the meantime they will try every trick in the book to convince us that:

-36X24 is so extremely overrated and doesn't really mean anything.

it doesn't mean anything, it's just that there are a bunch of really awesome lenses designed for that size

Yep. And a bunch of owners of said lenses who are really eager to use them on the format they were designed to shine on...
but there's no money to be made from old lenses.

Well, 24x36 is not a magic formula or the holy grail. But it has worked well for a century and bigger is still better. Maybe for guys who started photography with digital, the advantages of 24x26 are not immediately obvious. But as long as we obstinated old timers who have shot years of film are still alive, they will have to cater for us

Jan 15, 2012 at 06:20 AM

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Yes, Paul. the 24x36 is the archaic size we are "stuck with" for the reasons you have described. I find it to be a solid format for digital as well, for performance/size ratio as well as the ubiquitous amount of lenses present to choose from.

Much as I love Medium Format it is more or less "dead" for me. For many a reason; cost, versatility, size, cumbersombatility etc.

If anyone could make an ersatz A12 Hasselblad back for my old Superwide with off set micro lenses and no AA-filter I am serious when I say I would be happy with that camera alone and let myself be buried with it when all is said and done and over with. I'd put the rest of my monetary resources into travelling and printing.

Jan 15, 2012 at 07:55 AM

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p.56 #11 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

+1 Paul and Henrik

I have agonised over going MF digital, but kosmo's objections are mine, exactly. I can afford it—but now that I have retired from pro. photography, I can't find it in myself to do it. Re. digital in general (and speaking here as someone who made rent-paying images for many years with two F2As and four lenses), the Sony A850/900 made the best digital images I have ever made.

I sincerely hope that Ricoh, or Fuji, or somebody makes that final jump to making a digital camera with an excellent EVF with an AA-filter-less 24 x 36 sensor, and a universal mount (so LTM, M, M42). This company would do well in the present environment, I think. In the meantime, there's the GXR-M.

I have to confess, though, I have pre-ordered the new XPro 1...

but only with the 35/1.4, and the M-mount!

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Jan 15, 2012 at 09:39 AM

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sebboh wrote:
edit: what i really want is a digital texas leica or mamiya 7, but you know, with sony's evf.

now you are talking about the arc of the covenent

Jan 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
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The bottom right pic shows what the OVF looks like with a 60mm lens:

...sigh, wish they would have gone with a contax style, zooming optical finder. Thats almost useless with a longer lens.

You can zoom with a button further in evf, so I think they probably didn't see the point.

Jan 15, 2012 at 04:10 PM

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h00ligan wrote:
You can zoom with a button further in evf, so I think they probably didn't see the point.

In the EVF you get a 100% view plus magnification if desired a la X100 - there is no complaint there.

I believe what Tariq is commenting on and I share his view is how small the compose area within the frame for longer lenses is due to the two fixed magnifications in the OVF. To me this design - in 2012 - screams "what's the point?".

Jan 15, 2012 at 05:16 PM

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kosmoskatten wrote:
If anyone could make an ersatz A12 Hasselblad back for my old Superwide with off set micro lenses and no AA-filter I am serious when I say I would be happy with that camera alone and let myself be buried with it when all is said and done and over with. I'd put the rest of my monetary resources into travelling and printing.

That would be a terrific way to go. I wish I'd bought a Superwide instead of heavily into the Rollei 6008. A digital back on that big box would not be that much fun, much as I miss my 40mm Super Angulon.

cumbersombatility

New word alert! Very descriptive.

Jan 15, 2012 at 05:20 PM

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pdmphoto wrote:
edwardkaraa wrote:
Spyro P. wrote:
sebboh wrote:
Spyro P. wrote:
Many many moons, and when it does happen it will probably be by accident.
In the meantime they will try every trick in the book to convince us that:

-36X24 is so extremely overrated and doesn't really mean anything.

it doesn't mean anything, it's just that there are a bunch of really awesome lenses designed for that size

Yep. And a bunch of owners of said lenses who are really eager to use them on the format they were designed to shine on...
but there's no money to be made from old lenses.

Well, 24x36 is not a magic formula or the holy grail. But it has worked well for a century and bigger is still better. Maybe for guys who started photography with digital, the advantages of 24x26 are not immediately obvious. But as long as we obstinated old timers who have shot years of film are still alive, they will have to cater for us

24x36 is the pinacle for the max sensor area, fast lenses, system size, and cost. No one is making (quality) faster lenses for the smaller sensor sizes. A 35/1.4 on APS-C doesn't compare to the same lens on FF. Ditto for any fast focal length lens, until you get to telephoto, where the smaller sensor can sometimes be an advantage. As the sensor sizes get bigger than 24x36, the lenses all get slower, size and weight increase dramatically, along with the cost of the system.

I would agree with you, technically, but I think the market has already determined that aps-c is the sweet spot. Aps-c seems the digital equivalent of 35mm film, 35mm sensors seem the digital equivalent of medium format film, and so on.

As the posters above mentioned, I'd love a 6x6 digital back that was more affordable, myself.

Jan 15, 2012 at 06:00 PM

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p.56 #17 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

As much as I love my three Nikon FX (24x36) bodies, I do think that APS-C is the sweet spot for mirrorless compacts, like the X-Pro1.

Jan 15, 2012 at 08:22 PM

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p.56 #18 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

I think aps-c may be the sweetspot for mirrorless, in general, but not so much for the M9-sized X-Pro1.

Jan 15, 2012 at 08:28 PM

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p.56 #19 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Keep in mind that one of the things that Leica does better than anyone else in the world is to make good, but small, lenses. If the XP1 was really FF, then the lenses would be quite a lot larger, and likely both larger and not as good as the Leica lenses (not as expensive either, I am sure). I think they probably found the sweet spot for their camera.

Jan 15, 2012 at 08:34 PM

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p.56 #20 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Sure, Leica lenses are fantastic and expensive, but I'd probably still be happier with Voigtlander or Zeiss rangefinder lens quality on a 135 sensor over the Fuji lenses on an aps-c sensor.

That being said, Fuji will likely release smaller aps-c cameras with this mount without the hybrid EVF.

Jan 15, 2012 at 08:53 PM


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