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Jan 03, 2012 at 10:36 PM

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p.1 #2 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

i'll stick with my x100.

Jan 03, 2012 at 10:46 PM

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p.1 #3 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

I wonder if it will have the same hybrid viewfinder as the X100. This has the potential to be a very good system. Taking Leica-M lenses via an adapter as well as it's own Fujinon autofocus lenses (in this way similar to NEX) seems to have a lot of attraction for people.

Jan 03, 2012 at 10:53 PM

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p.1 #4 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Looks interesting! Lens also doesn't appear to be very long, though difficult to tell. I wonder how deep it sits into the mount and how Fuji has optimized the sensor for this? As for the viewfinder, it's definitely not traditional rangefinder, therefore a purely optical finder makes absolutely no sense, i.e. like in the X10. IMO, EVF is a must, and based on this appearance, would imply the hybrid style of the X100.

I also wonder if it uses some sort of hybrid AF system like in the Ricoh GRDIV, based on those two little LED-like windows by what seems like a focus assist light. EDIT: Those dots would likely be the stereo microphone rather than some hybrid AF...

And I hope it has a decently quiet shutter... and good frame to frame speed with reasonably fast buffer clear times.

OP: the top photo is a mockup: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonkerburger/6405657871/ though it looks pretty close to the second... I guess we'll know on Monday.

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Jan 03, 2012 at 11:06 PM

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p.1 #5 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

I have doubts that the optical finder zooms, probably uses lcd crop lines, so it's only good for a range of lens focal lengths, letting the lcd take over for longer & shorter lenses.
I hope there is a way to manually input your focal length.

I have a feeling it's registration depth will be larger than NEX, that it will be closer to m4/3.
This is the closest comparison shot I could find:

This image is copyrighted by the owner

Looking at them together, they actually look very similar, just the bayonet is rotated by a third.
I wonder if Fuji used Sony's mount as a starting place.

Jan 03, 2012 at 11:23 PM

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p.1 #6 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Being able to manually input a focal length for an overlaid frameline would certainly be quite sweet for adapting other lens, though then the question would become how would it really work if your using a OVF with gridlines to frame, but would then then an EVF or LCD screen on the back to focus manually.....Could be sort of a pain trying to go back and forth I fear

Add not only framelines but also an overlaid RF patch to a nice big bright OVF (plus liveview on the read LCD of course) and then you've got something cool.

Jan 03, 2012 at 11:50 PM

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p.1 #7 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Good point about the frame lines. My guess is if one's using alt glass on this camera, it's going to be an EVF affair for focusing through the viewfinder, or hyperfocal combined with optical with wider lenses for faster shooting.

I don't see how they can add an RF patch without an RF window and mechanical coupling for vintage glass. At least based on these images, it's definitely AF capable, and since it's a fully electronic mount, it will be some sort of fly-by-wire or maybe USM with manual/mechanical focus override...

Jan 04, 2012 at 12:04 AM

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p.1 #8 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

rscheffler wrote:
Looks interesting! Lens also doesn't appear to be very long, though difficult to tell. I wonder how deep it sits into the mount and how Fuji has optimized the sensor for this?

IF it is using the new organic sensor, that is the answer as it uses no micro lenses and also behaves just as traditional film to light hitting it at severe angles. It would allow the use of small, compact rangefinder type wide angles.

Jan 04, 2012 at 12:27 AM

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p.1 #9 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Wow, 1,500 euros... body only. It comes with a breathtaking price. I guess it's meant to compete with the NEX 7?

Jan 04, 2012 at 01:50 AM

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millsart wrote:
Being able to manually input a focal length for an overlaid frameline would certainly be quite sweet for adapting other lens

I't likely the framelines wouldn't be very accurate. Nominal focal lengths rarely match actual focal lengths exactly, and the field of view at close range depends on whether it's an IF lens or not.

Jan 04, 2012 at 02:50 AM

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p.1 #11 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Some other interesting "leaked" images, here:
http://photorumors.com/2011/11/15/fuji-mirrorless-camera-leaked/

Jan 04, 2012 at 03:00 AM

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p.1 #12 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

What ever the case may be, this year is going to be grown breaking for the photography world.... I'm very. Excited.

Jan 04, 2012 at 04:40 AM

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corposant wrote:
Wow, 1,500 euros... body only. It comes with a breathtaking price. I guess it's meant to compete with the NEX 7?

That's not a confirmed price, just a guess by a journalist.

Jan 04, 2012 at 04:51 AM

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p.1 #14 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Guaranteed to be more $ than X100.

Jan 04, 2012 at 05:14 AM

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p.1 #15 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

OP: You made the title read like this was some official info, not YET another rumor thread with little to no actual information.

Not only that, but you also hotlinked directly to Engadget's images.

Jan 04, 2012 at 05:29 AM

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p.1 #16 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

pingflood, your post added nothing of value, in direct contrast to the above, in which interested parties are sharing information. Why interrupt the flow?

It should be obvious that our knowledge on particular fast-moving subjects grows constantly from a small base, and therefore new posts - whether approved by you or not - are always of value. As there are responses this is beyond dispute herein. It's a conversation.

Jan 04, 2012 at 06:59 AM

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p.1 #17 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

No problem with that, but it would be nice to have something like "here are some leaked shots of the rumored camera", not just a "New camera at CES" with pictures that make it seem like it's legit somehow.

Jan 04, 2012 at 07:05 AM

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p.1 #18 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

the vf looks like it can crop the view depending on lens attached i guess.

Jan 04, 2012 at 10:33 AM

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p.1 #19 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

As Lou says, it should be easy enough to calibrate/adjust the view (i.e. zoom) in the EVF to suit any lenses within a reasonable range of focal lengths (say, equiv. 20mm to 200mm), and still retain the 'normal' overlay info. Of course, the camera would have to permit this activity.

Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33 PM

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p.1 #20 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

Nice!! Judging from the size, it seems similar / a bit larger than the M9 - a full-frame sensor would be most welcomed!!

Jan 04, 2012 at 01:02 PM

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p.1 #21 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

roanjohnnyc wrote:
Nice!! Judging from the size, it seems similar / a bit larger than the M9 - a full-frame sensor would be most welcomed!!

It's confirmed to be an APS sized sensor I believe.

Jan 04, 2012 at 01:46 PM

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p.1 #22 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

corposant wrote:
Wow, 1,500 euros... body only. It comes with a breathtaking price. I guess it's meant to compete with the NEX 7?

No, according to Fuji it is meant as a "premium class camera" (falsly the Fuji guy said "SLR", which it isn't) which - in terms of IQ - will compete with FF cameras.

So if the sensor is that good - and it seems to be a new type of sensor - 1500 is not much.

Bernie

Jan 04, 2012 at 02:15 PM

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p.1 #23 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

alba63 wrote:
corposant wrote:
Wow, 1,500 euros... body only. It comes with a breathtaking price. I guess it's meant to compete with the NEX 7?

No, according to Fuji it is meant as a "premium class camera" (falsly the Fuji guy said "SLR", which it isn't) which - in terms of IQ - will compete with FF cameras.

So if the sensor is that good - and it seems to be a new type of sensor - 1500 is not much.

Bernie

If it meets these criteria/ expectations, I would gladly pay around $1500 for the body, depending on the cost - and range - of the lenses.

Jan 04, 2012 at 03:09 PM

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p.1 #24 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

With all due respect, it has not yet happened that an APS-C sensor delivered better IQ than equivalent-generation FF sensors, nor that a MFT sensor delivered better IQ than an equivalent-generation APS-C sensor, and so on. To make such a claim is just foolish on Fuji's part. All it would take to prove it wrong is to use the same sensor technology in a FF camera, and *bam*.

On the other hand, if Fuji would use their Super-CCD technology, or something equivalent for CMOS, then we might have an APS-C sensor with more dynamic range than most FF sensors. They will have to either figure out how to do live view with their CCD sensor, or port the large-pixel/small-pixel architecture to CMOS though, neither of which is easy, I would guess. Probably the only downside to such a camera would be Fuji's tendency towards heavy AA filters, and this could be offset at least partly by high resolution, but high ISO would suffer. The colours could be really great, if they match the S2/S3 rather than the X100.

Jan 04, 2012 at 03:16 PM

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p.1 #25 · Fujifilm X-Pro1 interchangeable lens

carstenw wrote:
With all due respect, it has not yet happened that an APS-C sensor delivered better IQ than equivalent-generation FF sensors, nor that a MFT sensor delivered better IQ than an equivalent-generation APS-C sensor, and so on. To make such a claim is just foolish on Fuji's part. All it would take to prove it wrong is to use the same sensor technology in a FF camera, and *bam*.

On the other hand, if Fuji would use their Super-CCD technology, or something equivalent for CMOS, then we might have an APS-C sensor with more dynamic range than most FF sensors. They will have to either figure out how to do live view with their CCD sensor, or port the large-pixel/small-pixel architecture to CMOS though, neither of which is easy, I would guess. Probably the only downside to such a camera would be Fuji's tendency towards heavy AA filters, and this could be offset at least partly by high resolution, but high ISO would suffer. The colours could be really great, if they match the S2/S3 rather than the X100.

IF Fuji has developed a new groundbreaking - and proprietary - sensor technology (as indicated with the organic sensor patent), all bets are off with regard to prior history and APS v FF, since in those comparisons the technology was basically the same. The only thing we can say at the moment for certainty is that a FF sensor would have less dof at a given aperture vs APS and run into less issues with diffraction at a given F-stop, both simply due to the size difference.

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