p.4 #1 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
anthonygh wrote:
Here is a thought: Could Apple develop Aperture into an alternative to Photoshop? It wouldn't have to mirror every feature of PS...just the features that most photographers need.
I believe Apple has the financial and technical expertise to create such a programme.....and if it did, Adobe would not be happy. Most photographers would; even if it was a Mac only App.
Huh?
Since PCs make up more than 93% of the personal computer market, and ostensibly there are far more PC Photoshop users than mac photoshop users, this wouldn't really matter.
Besides, apple writes poor software, so they won't make a suitable replacement except for those mac users that don't mind putting up with it..
p.4 #2 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
I think Photoshop is not required for many people if you have Aperture.
Aperture works quite well if you are into database type RAW converters (Aperture 3 / LR3).
Apple has the RAW converter built into the OS. Where it belongs so you can see images right in the finder (similar to M$ Explorer). As a result, all programs can use RAW files.
Even Iphoto has editing required for most images. Iphoto is 64bit code and works very well processing RAW files.
Pixelmator 2 on the Mac will soon be a replacement for Photoshop. It has content aware fill, and all the edits you need. Just not 48 bit support yet. Once 48bit support is added forget Adobe and their bloatware over-priced Photoshop.
The Mac is growing market share. It is a great working OS for photographers.
p.4 #3 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
There are a number of reasons the number of people using PS will decrease dramtically down to those who really, really need it. A great number of people have already discovered that LR is enough. People who discover that tablets serve all their needs won't be buying PS. This pricing scheme is certainly going to chase off anyone with a mere dilettantory interest in PS.
I'd suppose Adobe realizes this, so apparently the've decided to put the screw to the the remaining people who have hardcore need of PS.
p.4 #4 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
RDKirk wrote:
There are a number of reasons the number of people using PS will decrease dramtically down to those who really, really need it. A great number of people have already discovered that LR is enough. People who discover that tablets serve all their needs won't be buying PS. This pricing scheme is certainly going to chase off anyone with a mere dilettantory interest in PS.
I'd suppose Adobe realizes this, so apparently the've decided to put the screw to the the remaining people who have hardcore need of PS.
They should make a photoshop light, not like elements where a few key things for photographers are stripped out, but the full on photoshop other than all the tools that only graphic designers would use and the 3D stuff stripped out of it. So it can be soak the graphic designers (sorry, ducking ) and better for everyone else.
but if you use other programs at all, say like premiere pro, still stuck with new must upgrade every time
haev to say i really can see mayeb upgrading once more and then just giving up on most of their stuff
p.4 #5 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
The "industry" says use Photoshop, Lightroom (Catalogs), Illustrator, and a few other Adobe and Apple products right now. So unless you can sit high and mighty, using whatever app you want, like the Borg, we all assimilate.
If you don't want to pay the high prices for Adobe, then grab student copies if you can. I'm a firm believer that if you are just doing this stuff for fun or to learn, and not for pure profit, then you shouldn't have to pay the massive price tags for the software, though Lightroom is certainly cheap enough. The reality is that most people are using Photoshop illegally.
PS: Trying Pixelmator on the Mac here to see how well it is compared to PShop.
I agree that there should be a lite version of Photoshop (not elements) which can get you 90% of total functionality for a lot less money. That won't happen anytime soon though.
p.4 #6 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
stebesplace wrote:
......The reality is that most people are using Photoshop illegally.
That may be true, but i think also that the majority of current illegal Photoshop users were never going to pay for it anyway. The gamble for Adobe here is that a substantial number of people who do currently pay don't turn to illegal distribution channels in the future.
PS: Trying Pixelmator on the Mac here to see how well it is compared to PShop.
Pixelmator looks very good from the website. Not good enough to make me buy a Mac though
p.4 #7 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
^ True, and True!
I think the big thing is layering, and the types of layers you can work with. Because you could probably use GIMP for 99% of the needs out there. Pixelmator has layering, so that's nice, and for $30, it could be a viable option for those on a Mac.
It will be interesting how Adobe positions itself over the next few years. I mean, Apple, the makers of FCP, are losing major market share within the last year after releasing FCPX, so it COULD happen that Adobe loses market share, but I doubt it since there isn't a viable alternative without going back to Corel, or using these smaller apps.
p.4 #8 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
Corel Paintshop Pro X4 is only $29 right now ... has layers, but no LAB mode. 95% of what you need at only 5% of the cost ... hard to go wrong if it's layers you're looking for to augment LR for those who wouldn't be intensely heavy users of PS. I used X2 for about 9 months before I ponied up for CS3. It has a few tricks up it's sleeve that PS doesn't have, so I still use it now & then.
Demo is of course free.
BTW ... includes 30 day Money Back. $29 and a 30 day Money Back ... hard to go wrong.
(no affiliation, in case you're wondering)
p.4 #9 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
RustyBug wrote:
Corel Paintshop Pro X4 is only $29 right now ... has layers, but no LAB mode. 95% of what you need at only 5% of the cost ... hard to go wrong if it's layers you're looking for to augment LR for those who wouldn't be intensely heavy users of PS. I used X2 for about 9 months before I ponied up for CS3. It has a few tricks up it's sleeve that PS doesn't have, so I still use it now & then.
Demo is of course free.
BTW ... includes 30 day Money Back. $29 and a 30 day Money Back ... hard to go wrong.
(no affiliation, in case you're wondering)
That looks like a great deal. The sale is only on until midnight tonight though (11/28).
Anyway, it might be worth it to get the "Ultimate" version for $10 more ($39), because it includes the Nik Color Efex Pro v3.0 filters.
Nik has gone to v4.0 now, but for $100 less you get the photo software and the filters.
I think I'm going to bite... perhaps it will turn into something more as people leave Adobe in droves.
BTW, I don't agree that "most people" use illegal copies of the software. Most people - that I've known - who even know what it is use legitimate copies.
p.4 #10 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
jamesf99 wrote:
Huh?
Since PCs make up more than 93% of the personal computer market, and ostensibly there are far more PC Photoshop users than mac photoshop users, this wouldn't really matter.
Besides, apple writes poor software, so they won't make a suitable replacement except for those mac users that don't mind putting up with it..
I don't think you will find too many people saying that Apple softwear is rubbish...but you seem to have missed my point. It doesn't matter how many private individuals use Windows based PCs, what matters is how many people purchase CS5 etc....and I suspect quite a percentage of purchasers are Mac users.
And as Apple clearly has the financial clout to buy the best brains it wants, and as Aperture is already a successful and well regarded programme...I wonder what would stop Apple adding the kind of features that would make it a direct competitor for Adobe...or develop a new programme using Aperture as a foundation specifically for photographers (ie, dump the graphics type aspects of PS...which started life as a programme for graphic designers anyway).
p.4 #11 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
anthonygh wrote:
I don't think you will find too many people saying that Apple softwear is rubbish...but you seem to have missed my point. It doesn't matter how many private individuals use Windows based PCs, what matters is how many people purchase CS5 etc....and I suspect quite a percentage of purchasers are Mac users.
And as Apple clearly has the financial clout to buy the best brains it wants, and as Aperture is already a successful and well regarded programme...I wonder what would stop Apple adding the kind of features that would make it a direct competitor for Adobe...or develop a new programme using Aperture as a foundation specifically for photographers (ie, dump the graphics type aspects of PS...which started life as a programme for graphic designers anyway)....Show more →
Actually, I missed nothing. I would counter by saying that I think you missed the point. I understand that FCP is a good program - I haven't used it - but as for all the rest..... Besides, I'm not "rubbishing" it, I just don't like it and I've used a lot of their stuff. Let's not make this a mac-PC think though.
My point was that I believe (from what I've read) that there are more PC users of photoshop than there are mac users. Any solution that hopes to displace Adobe may have to satisfy both groups.
OTOH, perhaps a split solution is not a bad thing. If mac people want to use aperture, or whatever apple wants to offer, that can be their solution, and PC people will use something else. I really don't care what the solution is as long as it works. it would be great if I could prevent the loss of more than a decades worth of work, but it looks like Adobe is bent on reducing their customer base...
p.4 #12 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
I know a number of professional photographers and designers.....I only know one who doesn't use a Mac.
That is just my direct experience, but if only 25 % of pro CS users work on Macs and are offered a decent alternative and they switch...that is a big hole in Adobe's revenue stream.
I am sure many enthusiasts use Windows machines and some will pay full price for CS products (and Mac users too).....but I wonder what the global proportions are regarding both platforms and the revenue they generate for Adobe.
Incidentally, I read recently that about 25% of personal computers sold in 2010 were Macs.
p.4 #13 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
I switched my Photoshop CS5 license from Windows to Mac for a small fee (about $30)
Adobe sends you out a new disc
So Adobe will work with people if they change windows to mac, or mac to windows
p.4 #14 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
wickerprints makes an important point above,
"If you want to mitigate piracy, make your software reasonably priced and don't screw over your PAYING CUSTOMERS like Adobe is doing."
Most people I know on Windows systems are using a pirated version of Photoshop
such as CS4 Stonehenge version that does not talk to the mother-ship at Adobe
Adobe pricing for Photoshop is unreasonable and upgrade costs not justified
p.4 #15 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
Adobe has laid the ground for software developers to find affordable alternate solutions, now so more than ever. I could live with Adobe's new policy if it accepted 2 generation upgrades such as CS4 to CS6 but only one generation is ridiculous.
The future will tell but my guess is people who skipped a version to get more yield out of their software investment are going to find alternatives. Adobe has forgotten that most people don't need all the latest bells and whistles and people still using CS4 get by just fine. Only those people who need to be current for work reasons can justify the forced upgrading Adobe is going to implement. If I didn't already have PS CS5 weren't a working pro and were faced with $699, I'd shop for something cheaper.
p.4 #16 · Adobe is not going to allow upgrading from older versions with CS6
As someone currently using CS4 and looking to upgrade to CS6 I'm very disappointed. I wish they would reconsider their policy and adjust so that I can Upgrade 4 - 6 this time, and then 6 - 7 next time, and make the upgrade frequency longer, afterall you can only add so many new tools etc. If a new version came out every 2.5 years or so there would be less complaints from the non pro user base.
not really, it is still you need to upgrade every time for the future, all they did as add back a grace period for earlier than CS5 version users (and probably at some slight penalty) and only after they already got about as many as they could to jump at CS5 already.
I suspect this will bring them more cash for for teh year but I wonderif they won't bleed more in the long haul. I guess they can always adjust back if they have to and at least they will have taken in more inthe meantime so I guess it does make sense for them (even if not for us I do wonder how many regular users, especially those eusing more than just photoshop will be able to continue on). It does seem like it would have been more fair to not tart this until CS6 since they had sort of promised previous owners the three back deal, and I guess that is what they are sort of doing now,maybe they even had to since they had said they would originally.
annoying is how they still don't show a white of concern for their customers and won't let them trade in a suite for a single program, the instant you bought it you are stuck, no matter what
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