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p.1 #1 · Reflections of Fall


Wasilla, Alaska
http://alaskalive.net/images/stories/Reflections_Large_8x10.jpg

Canon 60D
Canon 24-70 USM
EXIF-Data
Focus length: 32 mm
Shutter speed: 1/160 Sec
F-number: F/4.5
ISO speed rating: 100
Whitebalance: Auto
Flash: Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Camera-model: Canon EOS 60D
Exposure program: Aperture priority
Exposure bias: 0 EV
Metering mode: Center-weighted average



Oct 10, 2011 at 06:14 PM
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p.1 #2 · Reflections of Fall


I'd clone out the power lines


Oct 10, 2011 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #3 · Reflections of Fall


It is what it is - a nice photo. If I was really concerned about removing signs of human enterprise, then I'd hike on down to the old bridge and take a similar photo from the other side.


Oct 10, 2011 at 06:47 PM
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p.1 #4 · Reflections of Fall


Wouldnt be something like f11 better?


Oct 10, 2011 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #5 · Reflections of Fall


jcolwell wrote:
It is what it is - a nice photo. If I was really concerned about removing signs of human enterprise, then I'd hike on down to the old bridge and take a similar photo from the other side.

+1 photography isnt ALWAYS about making the perfect picture.



Oct 10, 2011 at 08:32 PM
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p.1 #6 · Reflections of Fall


Landscape forum broken?



Oct 10, 2011 at 08:35 PM
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digitalbug30d wrote:
+1 photography isnt ALWAYS about making the perfect picture.


HERESY!



I like the image, but I'd also probably clone out the power lines and use a smaller aperture, to get the background nice and crispy. At least you have a mountain to shoot, though..I'm living it up with the pine trees here in the south



Oct 10, 2011 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #8 · Reflections of Fall


Monito wrote:
Landscape forum broken?


Really? There are two threads talking about mystical, rumored cameras and what everyone's wet dream is and you come in here and complain, Monito?

OP nice shot.

HatersGonnaHate



Oct 10, 2011 at 08:57 PM
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eskimochaos wrote:
Really? There are two threads talking about mystical, rumored cameras and what everyone's wet dream is and you come in here and complain, Monito?

OP nice shot.

HatersGonnaHate


Seems that you are the only hater here. Note: Ironically you have posted a complaint about people who post complaints [even though my post wasn't a complaint].

My post was a gentle reminder (no hate) that probably the on-topic place to post landscapes is the landscape forum. It was also an implied invitation to direct this thread to Canon topics if that was the original intent. At least the mystical rumored cameras and lens dreams are on the Canon topic.

OP, another place to post would be the Critique forum if you are looking for feedback about the photo.

Go ahead, eskimochaos, post one of your photos as a thread in the Canon forum if you think it is the appropriate thing to do. And every one else, too?



Oct 10, 2011 at 11:14 PM
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Monito wrote:
Landscape forum broken?


Sorry about posting in the wrong thread.. it said Canon slr, I have a canon Dslr...
Should I have posted in another thread?



Oct 11, 2011 at 01:51 AM
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p.1 #11 · Reflections of Fall


Yeah, I hate that they put powerlines everywhere up here.. it really sucks.. I cannot tell you of all the awesome shots I could have gotten if it were not for he powerlines in the way...

I could photoshop out the lines.. but the shot is not worth the work..lol,
It is a cool capture.. but not as nice as thousands I have seen.
:0)



Oct 11, 2011 at 01:54 AM
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p.1 #12 · Reflections of Fall


Mescalamba wrote:
Wouldnt be something like f11 better?


I was good on my canon 20D, but I got broke and had to sell all my camera stuff about 4 years ago.
Then, about 4 months ago, I got enough money to get the 60d and the 24-70, and 70-200...
So, now I am trying to figure out the relationship between

Fstop, ISO and Shutter Speed.
Pretty confusing!
I will remember f11 in situations with light like this again and try that.
Thanks for the input.. Thanks again.



Oct 11, 2011 at 01:57 AM
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Nice shot, I like it. Great to hear you're back shooting Canon. For landscapes try f8-f13 to get everything focussed. If the shutter speed is too low, use a tripod. f/16 up starts getting soft due to diffraction.

To get critiques there is a critique forum. There is also a landscape forum to share landscape shots. This is a gear not photo centric forum, generally one off pictures are not posted here unless there is a specific gear related connection. There are themed photo threads though. Incidentally there is a Canon fall thread:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1043689

Anyways, all the best.



Oct 11, 2011 at 02:41 AM
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SKumar25 wrote:
Nice shot, I like it. Great to hear you're back shooting Canon. For landscapes try f8-f13 to get everything focussed. If the shutter speed is too low, use a tripod. f/16 up starts getting soft due to diffraction.

To get critiques there is a critique forum. There is also a landscape forum to share landscape shots. This is a gear not photo centric forum, generally one off pictures are not posted here unless there is a specific gear related connection. There are themed photo threads though. Incidentally there is a Canon fall thread:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1043689

Anyways, all the best.


Great post Skumar, It's nice to see people treating others with respect and kindness

OP, good start to the resumption of your "Canon shooting". A shame about the powerlines, but as you said they're everywhere!



Oct 11, 2011 at 03:55 AM
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alaskalive wrote:
I was good on my canon 20D, but I got broke and had to sell all my camera stuff about 4 years ago.
Then, about 4 months ago, I got enough money to get the 60d and the 24-70, and 70-200...
So, now I am trying to figure out the relationship between

Fstop, ISO and Shutter Speed.
Pretty confusing!
I will remember f11 in situations with light like this again and try that.
Thanks for the input.. Thanks again.


Indeed, your settings look a bit off. Not sure whether a tripod was used, but even if you were hand holding the camera, you had plenty of "space" to get along with a narrower aperture (hence, more depth of field): shutter speed of 1/160 could be brought down to 1/80 (gain: one stop), and with a 60D you could up the ISO to 400 without a huge loss in quality (gain: two stops). Even using ISO 200 would result in a total gain of two stops, that is f/9. ISO 400 would mean f/13 (three stops).



Oct 11, 2011 at 04:22 AM
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SKumar25 wrote:
Nice shot, I like it. Great to hear you're back shooting Canon. For landscapes try f8-f13 to get everything focussed. If the shutter speed is too low, use a tripod. f/16 up starts getting soft due to diffraction.

To get critiques there is a critique forum. There is also a landscape forum to share landscape shots. This is a gear not photo centric forum, generally one off pictures are not posted here unless there is a specific gear related connection. There are themed photo threads though. Incidentally there is a Canon fall thread:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1043689

Anyways, all the best.


I looked to try to move the topic, but I cannot, did not want to delete it.. so,I left it.Sorry bout posting in the wrong forum.

I did use a tripod but did not make use of my wireless remote actuator.
I will definitely make use of the forums you listed..
Right now I am trying to figure out how to get the MOON to look clear, at dusk.. while rising over mountains and a lake... the settings I had made the mountains and lake look great.. but the moon is just a ball of white light.. that sucks.

Thanks for all you guys do.. I am intently reading all you all say, and soaking up your suggestions like a sponge.
Thanks again.

You all will have a great laugh at my next line of words...

I get confused.

I think I only want to shoot in Manual as that way, if I learn all the settings, I can do it right on my own, not trust the camera to set anything.. but..I need more practice.

I think I will from now on be shooting in Manual.. I love learning the way Shutter speed, Fstop and ISO relate. Once I get that down firm.. I may be good! Thanks everyone. Will post in the correct forum from now on.



Oct 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM
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alaskalive wrote:
You all will have a great laugh at my next line of words...

I get confused.

I think I only want to shoot in Manual as that way, if I learn all the settings, I can do it right on my own, not trust the camera to set anything.. but..I need more practice.

I think I will from now on be shooting in Manual.. I love learning the way Shutter speed, Fstop and ISO relate. Once I get that down firm.. I may be good! Thanks everyone. Will post in the correct forum from now on.


It is not a great laugh; I think your idea is excellent, actually. I learnt a lot when I started shooting in manual mode, and am still using it 99% of the time.



Oct 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM
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Manual mode or an automatic mode or P mode, they will all get you to the perfect exposure at the same investment of thinking. Most of the time you have to alter the meter reading regardless of the mode, especially if you are shooting EttR (Expose to the Right) in Raw mode.

The automatic modes or P will get you to a good approximation of the right exposure the fastest, so I sometimes shoot in those modes, biased a bit for EttR.

Shutterspeed, F/stop and ISO all affect exposure equally. If you have the perfect exposure level, you can alter any two of them in an opposing way and retain the exposure.

ISO is usually chosen for image quality. I try to shoot landscapes at ISO 100. On the 5D classic I don't worry about going up to 400. I will think twice for ISO 800 and three times for ISO 1600. On your 60D, you should probably not worry in the 100 to 800 range and think twice for 1600, but I can't say from experience.

A "stop" is a factor of two for light. Shutterspeeds you multiply / divide by the factor, but since aperture settings are already "geometric" since they control an area, you multiply by the square root of 2 = 1.4. But the aperture has built-in settings to account for that.

I set my cameras to step by one-third of a stop. You can set it to half-stops, but for digital (and colour slide film) you can get slightly more precise by third stops. Thus a stop would be three clicks.

So assuming a fixed ISO setting, then if you open up the aperture one stop (smaller number) then you make the shutter speed faster by one stop.

Try this experiment: on a sunny day, fiddle with the ISO to get your camera exposing nicely at f/8 and 1/400 second, whatever the ISO needed to get that, with the meter set to Averaging mode or center-weighted, of an ordinary scene, not backlit or anything fancy or unusual. Fiddle with the ISO until you are getting the meter in the center at f/8 and 1/400.

Now make an exposure at 1/200 f/8. It will be lighter. Make one at 1/800 f/8. It will be darker.

Make another or use the same 1/400 f/8 exposure. Now expose at 1/400 f/5.6. It will be lighter. The smaller aperture number means a wider aperture which means more light. Make another at 1/400 f/11. It will be darker. The higher f/number means a smaller aperture and less light.

Now make three photos: A) 1/400 f/8; B) 1/200 f/11; C) 1/800 f/5.6. They should all be the same level of exposure, neither lighter nor darker.

So if you cut the speed in half (more light) you need to compensate by adjusting the aperture to the larger number (smaller opening, less light) to end up with the same level because they counteract each other.

The apertures go in a main sequence: f/1.0, 1.4, 2.0, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22, and 32. Each of those is one stop, related by a factor of 1.4 as mentioned before.

In between are third-stop settings. So one-third above f/8 is f/9 and one third below is f/7.1. Between f/4 and f/16 here are the third stop settings for illustration: f/4, 4.5, 5.0, 5.6, 6.3, 7.1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16. The actual numbers are approximations to two digits of the exact numbers, but that is plenty accurate for photography.

In between shutter speeds are also 1/3 stop settings. So from 1/100 to 1/1600 second you go 100, 125, 160, 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600. Note that 125, 250, 500, and 1000 form a whole stop sequence subset, and so do 160, 320, 640, and 1250.

Now ISO works the same way, in the same third stop sequence. Higher ISO numbers are more sensitive and need less light. So make an exposure at ISO 200, 1/400 sec, f/8 and compare it to one at ISO 100, 1/400, f/8 and the second will be darker because of lower ISO. Now shoot it at ISO 400 and it will be lighter.

Experiment and fool around.



Oct 11, 2011 at 02:19 PM
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Monito wrote:
Manual mode or an automatic mode or P mode, they will all get you to the perfect exposure at the same investment of thinking. Most of the time you have to alter the meter reading regardless of the mode, especially if you are shooting EttR (Expose to the Right) in Raw mode.

The automatic modes or P will get you to a good approximation of the right exposure the fastest, so I sometimes shoot in those modes, biased a bit for EttR.

Shutterspeed, F/stop and ISO all affect exposure equally. If you have the perfect exposure level, you can alter any two
...Show more →

I am printing all this, taking it out in the field to try all you said.. Thanks a LOT for your help!



Oct 11, 2011 at 02:45 PM
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Bones74 wrote:
Great post Skumar, It's nice to see people treating others with respect and kindness

OP, good start to the resumption of your "Canon shooting". A shame about the powerlines, but as you said they're everywhere!


My wife is going to be pissed!
Now that I am back at FM, I have a camera, lenses.. I probably will be neglecting her!
Thank you all for all you do!
Thank you a lot!



Oct 11, 2011 at 03:05 PM
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