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Ronny Mills
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from his tech forum:

"The reason for this pre-production announcement is that I don't like to be like other companies like Apple that let you buy something today, then suddenly introduce a new version the next day at a lower price. So I try to balance letting you know what's on the the horizon and give you some idea of what to expect when.

I wanted to test the final production samples and make sure the products were real and working as expected before I made any serious announcements. Just finished two days of testing in the studio. The products are real, work sensationally and we have been quoted 30 days production time for first shipment. You have to add shipping time across the sea (we use Fedex air freight on initial shipments, and have to allow for unknowns, so I'm not going to state an absolute ETA yet, and we aren't going to take pre orders until we have a date certain.

So here comes the cat out of the bag:

We are releasing 12 new versions of PLM™, in two categories. The first category is a straight 8mm shaft version that opens like an umbrella, without speedrings or the more complex setup of the present PLM™V2. This makes it easier to use, but results in slight off center placement, which actually has little effect on the real world performance. Sorry Elinchrom users, it won't fit the oddball 7mm umbrella mount. The shaft is much shorter than V1 and the knockoffs so it won't hit you in the eye! The shaft only protrudes a couple of inches behind the light. The shaft also has an internal reenforcing shaft so it won't sag.

No, this is not a repeat of V1 in any form. We made considerable changes to the arc shape from V1 to V2 that result in more even coverage, higher output, better catchlights, smoother shadows and better overall performance. The new PLM™ 8mm umbrella style models produce exactly the same superior patterns as the present V2 and use the very same fabrics, front diffusers and black outer covers.

All the knockoffs simply copied V1, have poke-you-in-the-eye shafts, have inferior patterns and output, and the white knockoffs (Westcott, Adorama Flashpoint) we have tested fluoresce horrible and produce blue/magenta light. The Viewfinder (UK) actually pirated our original PLM™V1 from the factory we gave our designs to for manufacture exclusively for us, and even have "BUFF" engraved on the sliders.

The next big deal:

As PLM™ users are aware, there are vast differences between the bright silver and white versions. The bright silver has won the hearts of many shooters for it's extreme output, narrow grid-like coverage and distinctive specular-yet soft result. The white versions have very wide coverage, much lower output, the need for spill control, and low contrast - very soft results.

I felt the need for a fabric that retained the best features of white and silver. Working with our exclusive vendor (Who is not a conventional umbrella vendor and will not supply to competitors) we developed and had specially manufactured, a fabric we designated "Soft Silver".

It has a black outer surface so doesn't require outer cover for spill control, retains the controlled beam spread of the bright silver, but with a considerably wider area of coverage and less severe, feathered pattern cutoff, exhibits the desirable specularity of silver, but with less severity than the bright silver, produces absolutely perfect patterns without any anomalies and easily provides full body coverage from 8' to 12' distances without the need for critical focusing. It's output is higher than white umbrellas or softboxes but lower than bright silver PLM™s.

Most important, it is designed to be used direct, without front diffuser or outer black cover. When thus used, it produces approximately the look and splill control of a gridded giant OctaBox, but with about twice the output, easier mounting, less stand weight, and the added punch of the soft silver fabric. The catchlights are nice and round and essentially spoke less and the shadows are soft and free of multiple shadow effects.

Adding the optional white front diffuser results in perhaps the most even of all soft boxes and soft lighters, in the desirable essentially round shape, very wide, low contrast coverage and output comparable to soft boxes and white umbrellas.

We are still doing product and coverage angle shots for publication and will announce firm shipping dates soon.

So the 12 new products are:

8mm straight shaft umbrella style PLM™ in 51", 64" and 86", in White, Super Silver and Soft Silver (nine products), and PLMV2 speed ring on-axis style in the same three sizes available in the new soft silver fabric. All current PLMV2 models remain available. All accessory fabrics are interchangeable between the speed ring and straight shaft versions.

Prices will remain approximately the same, with slight adjustments of about $5 up or down for the different models. The Soft Silver 86" 8mm straight shaft version is $69.95 and can be used with or without the optional PLM reflector or Spill Kill for elimination of side spill. (Back spill, lens flare and forward spill control is inherent in the design.)

So if you want to pay $100 for an inferior knock off of early Paul C. Buff, Inc. designs, endure inferior color balance and general performance and poke your eyes out, be my guest."





Jul 16, 2011 at 07:48 PM
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I'd be interested, I honestly would, if the guy wasn't so utterly obnoxious. He can't even announce new products without having to constantly knock the competition and blame everyone else for supplying such an evil and inferior product which he actually originally designed.



Jul 17, 2011 at 02:41 AM
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Beni wrote:
I'd be interested, I honestly would, if the guy wasn't so utterly obnoxious. He can't even announce new products without having to constantly knock the competition and blame everyone else for supplying such an evil and inferior product which he actually originally designed.


Truth. I very much doubt Westcott's have colour shift given their long experience in photographic modifiers and my Viewfinder Photographic PLM certainly did not have 'Buff' engraved anywhere. Also:

The first category is a straight 8mm shaft version that opens like an umbrella, without speedrings or the more complex setup of the present PLM™V2. This makes it easier to use, but results in slight off center placement, which actually has little effect on the real world performance.

He was the one making a massive song and dance about center placement and how it was critical - apparently now it has "little effect on real world performance".



Jul 17, 2011 at 04:26 AM
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Well, that's just Paul being sour-puss Paul. That said, I've used his V1. PLM and was very impressed with the output and quality of light. For the price, I think it's a terrific modifier for most photogs to have in their bag.


Jul 17, 2011 at 09:45 AM
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I really don't care for his products or his marketing but he is a master at using his fans to get free advertising.


Jul 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM
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Beni wrote:
my Viewfinder Photographic PLM certainly did not have 'Buff' engraved anywhere.


My 86 ViewFinder PLM does, but hey ho!

Still looking for a white cover to turn it into a proper big soft box, but cant get them anywhere. In the process of making my own from an ebay umbrella box material.

As he mentions, I hate the very weird multiple shadows that the bare PLM gives. Anybody else see this?






Jul 18, 2011 at 04:43 AM
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Any FMers buy into the PLM system?
Whatcha think of them?



Apr 11, 2012 at 03:25 AM
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I like my 64" extreme silver. It is a big lightsource but well controlled, it's like a beam and loses 1/3 of a stop max, if I stick the white diffuser fabric on it is like a shallow octa/umbrellabox.

The only thing that is not that impressive is the build quality. It's good it has fibreglass rods but the tip ends can come off, there is no fabric reinforcement at these high stress areas so the stitching can tear out and they are simple held on with thread. I have had to repair mine 3 times now. The speedring type thing is also a bit flimsy, easily bent and often needs tightening up. At the end of the day if it falls apart it's not profoto prices to replace so I can't complain too much.



Apr 11, 2012 at 05:26 AM
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I turned a PLM V1 into a permanent shoot through Japanese latern by sewing the black to the white umbrella. Works great in the field.

I think the center light position is important if you're using silver and want to get the best efficiency and symetrical pattern. You can easily beat the sun with 300 - 500 WS from white a ways away.

I also have a V2 86" silver. Not that useful for me. The pattern is too uneven when using just the silver. With the white backing, it does make a really big soft source that I use some.

Scott



Apr 11, 2012 at 08:11 AM
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Mark_L wrote:
I like my 64" extreme silver. It is a big lightsource but well controlled, it's like a beam and loses 1/3 of a stop max, if I stick the white diffuser fabric on it is like a shallow octa/umbrellabox.

The only thing that is not that impressive is the build quality. It's good it has fibreglass rods but the tip ends can come off, there is no fabric reinforcement at these high stress areas so the stitching can tear out and they are simple held on with thread. I have had to repair mine 3 times now. The speedring type
...Show more

Have you experienced the spotty lighting pattern that a lot of people complain about with the extreme silver?



Apr 11, 2012 at 02:39 PM
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I've used the 2 large PLM's to light a large group shot(s) as in 30+ people outside and there is no replacing it IMO. I've tried other methods, none as good as these results.

I want to take issue with the poster that said people do Paul's advertising for him.

DO I like the guy's politics? No. Agree with the somewhat arrogant tone to his posts or the way he gos' about on a high horse sometimes.. No, I don't.

I DO however think that when you make a product in this price point, with the capabilities that it has, offer the kind of unbelievable customer service at such a low price, and the resale value of your goods purchased remains literally years, after your purchase... Lets face it, if you have the biggest one in the shower room, you may tend to let it slap around your legs once in a while just because you can.

And finally on point, there are other large reflectors out there. But none 'I've seen' that have been widely used and adapted for use on others equipment such as the PLM have been.



Apr 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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ChadAndreo wrote:
Have you experienced the spotty lighting pattern that a lot of people complain about with the extreme silver?


Are you referring to specular highlights that should be expected from a silver source?



Apr 11, 2012 at 03:10 PM
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That is funny...when the V1 came out, it was a revolution. Now it's an eye-stabbing inconsistent piece of garbage that everyone rips off . FWIW, I bought the 86" PLM (silver) when it first came out, and I still think it's a great modifier, eye stabbing shaft and all. I mainly use it outdoors, and I've never noticed any of the problems he mentions. In a studio it might be a different story, but given my ceiling height I'll probably never find out. The soft silver version he's coming out with sounds interesting, so I'll check that out when it's available.


Apr 11, 2012 at 03:12 PM
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Not quite. I am looking for a modifier that produces specular highlights especially for my fashion and editorial work, but after reading a bunch on reviews and post, I have seen numerous complaints about inconsistant/spotty lighting pattern.
I am not sure if the people using them do not understand what kind of light this modifier is suppose to produce or if the product is just not performing right.

cordellwillis wrote:
Are you referring to specular highlights that should be expected from a silver source?




Apr 11, 2012 at 03:24 PM
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ChadAndreo wrote:
Have you experienced the spotty lighting pattern that a lot of people complain about with the extreme silver?


I have the V2 which I believe is much improved in this area so others' criticisms may be over the V1 PLMs. In addition, it is meant to be used bare bulb with an on centre mount and a precise distance to the flash head which may account for some peoples complaints - paul would often point out they were using it wrong (before his ban).

Sometimes I think I have seen very slight stepping in the shadow transitions but even the standard reflectors on most strobes give a double shadow. Not the best example to see shadows but the only one I have on this PC:





And one showing the beamlike light from it







Apr 11, 2012 at 03:47 PM
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This is nothing but me editorializing, but...

Deezie wrote:
Well, that's just Paul being sour-puss Paul. That said, I've used his V1. PLM and was very impressed with the output and quality of light. For the price, I think it's a terrific modifier for most photogs to have in their bag.


+1 and + to other observations about this guy's nature.

It strikes me as a real shame that Paul is so angry. His products seem to have a considerable following and with just a bit of taking-the-high-road approach, surely he would have an even broader fan base.

At times I wonder if I should have chosen the (quality and affordable) PCB path a year ago when getting into studio lighting but (before he was banned) his FM posts came across as a bright but pissy guy with a huge chip on his shoulder and a complete lack of class... not someone I was interested in patronizing.

Kinda ironic considering his company's stellar reputation for excellent customer service. I don't really know what to make of it - but watching Will Smith's "Hancock" recently, it crossed my mind that Paul could use a similar PR handler.

I suppose there's a reason of some sort for his attitude... it's just unfortunate that an apparently quality company gets beaten up around the edges because he can't seem to stop mouthing off.



Apr 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM
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Beni wrote:
I'd be interested, I honestly would, if the guy wasn't so utterly obnoxious. He can't even announce new products without having to constantly knock the competition and blame everyone else for supplying such an evil and inferior product which he actually originally designed.


That info is from his own forum, not from advertisements.

By defnition, his "forum" is his own soapbox on which he can pontificate as much as he desires.



Apr 13, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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my 86" Extreme Silver is pretty much worthless but my 51", or whatever the small ones are, white PLM's are wonderful. i have the black backing and the white diffusion fabric so its like a PCB Softlighter... makes some amazingly soft light and well controlled... build quality is sucky but the price is too cheap to complain about it honestly... as stated the speed ring sucks, the shaft bends easily and ALL of the small nuts come loose far too easily... one of my PLM mounts is completely missing all of the small nuts on the large side of the speed ring.


Apr 19, 2012 at 08:31 AM
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Why is the 86" version worthless. The size is good for full-body shots and it sounds like the silver background will add some snap to the lighting. What about it don't you like?


Apr 19, 2012 at 09:09 AM
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RoadconePhoto wrote:
build quality is sucky but the price is too cheap to complain about it honestly


FWIW, I have a softlighter as well and think the PLM feels a lot more solid. Umbrellas are under $100 items...they have no choice but to make it less than robust (the softlighter has had a few few falls and the ribs are a bit warped now because they're not as thick as a Totes umbrella's ribs but still made of metal).
Drop a softlighter a few times and you'll find a new definition of sucky



Apr 19, 2012 at 09:26 AM
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