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p.1 #1 · Twilight (and Night)


Okay, I'm cheating here! I admit it!

In the broadest sense of the concept, twilight/night shots are "alternative to the norm" in photography. The "norm" is usually daylight or flash photography.

Why do I go through the mental gymnastics? Well, as with many things, it's all about me.

I took a photo last evening that I wanted to post. Technically, it belongs in the Canon forum. But I would like to get a topic going for the display of twilight and night photos, and the techniques involved. Like denoir (and some of the other amazing photographers here), I've been drawn to the magical time when the light is more chromatic with a balance of sky blue, sunset glow, and street/house lighting all mingling with each other.

I've become a fan of the Alt forum, and after the nice collaboration on the Pano-mania thread, I thought this would be a better home for displaying these types of work than either the Canon, Nikon or Gear forums.

I'd like this thread to be open to all gear, not only the novel Alt stuff, but anything you can capture an appropriate image with. Color or B&W, city, landscape or astro-photography -- the richness of Night, and it's handmaidens, Dawn and Dusk.

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I snagged this shot as we left a restaurant, and were just about to get into the car at the valet service. I grabbed the camera and walked to the rear of the parking lot, snapping a series in the hope of getting a half-way sharp image. Not a "perfect" picture technically (a tripod would have been awesome to shoot at ISO 100!), but it is the shot that I got, and I'm happy to have it.

Hand held in dimming light around 8:20.

Canon 60D, 24-70L @ 50mm, 1/50 @ f/4, ISO 1600. Processed in LR3.4.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_9733-2.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 01:19 PM
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p.1 #2 · Twilight (and Night)


Hey, I'll play. Links to larger images are included with each image:

Sunset after a super ridiculous storm. Taken with the Tokina 10-17 and defished.
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/image.php?imageid=74
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/images/0000074-m.jpg

You can find the original and the super wide angle before I cropped.
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/imagegallery.php?folder=14

Night time alley in my neighborhood downtown. Taken with the Olympus 28 f/2
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/image.php?imageid=68
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/images/0000068-m.jpg

Taken downtown Chicago at sunset after work. I really like the way the orange colored the buildings. You can also see the moon in the middle of the frame.
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/image.php?imageid=99
http://www.kakomu.com/gallery/images/0000099-m.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #3 · Twilight (and Night)


It looks like the OP's photo could use some straightening and cropping?


Jun 09, 2011 at 03:34 PM
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p.1 #4 · Twilight (and Night)


Ok I will bite, with something really "alt". Taken with a cooled camera, a 8.3mp APS-C sized sensor, cooled to -20C. The sensor is monochrome and individual exposures are taken for Red, Green, Blue and luminance, with appropriate filters. Taken with an astronomical mount and a 5" refractor, that gives a 484mm focal length at f3.8. This is 8 luminance, 4 red, 3 green, and 3 blue frames, each 10 minutes long. Stacked and aligned, then processed in Photoshop.
IC 4603 a reflection and emission nebula

The subject in the middle is called IC4603 and is in the constellation Ophiuchus. Lost of dark dusty areas and some interesting colors.

Alan



Jun 09, 2011 at 03:39 PM
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p.1 #5 · Twilight (and Night)


Nice thread!

ZF 100/2 on D700...

http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/674/U674I1307653520.SEQ.0.jpg


http://www.zeissimages.com/gallery/674/U674I1307653521.SEQ.1.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 04:06 PM
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p.1 #6 · Twilight (and Night)


Here's one from a while ago (my very first outing with a Canon 5D; before I knew much about alt lenses, taken with 17-40/4L):
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_night_17.jpg
I did have one alt lens back then, Peleng 8mm/f3.5 fisheye:
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_night_fish.jpg
More recent, with CY Distagon 21/2.8:
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_night_21.jpg
and I love cloud movement in longer exposure shots:
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_night_clouds.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 04:20 PM
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p.1 #7 · Twilight (and Night)


Gunzorro wrote:
In the broadest sense of the concept, twilight/night shots are "alternative to the norm" in photography. The "norm" is usually daylight or flash photography.


This statement makes no sense to me. Art should have no limits or dictum of normalcy.

That said, here's a "normal" twilighter.

http://corposant.smugmug.com/North-America/Los-Angeles/Santa-Monica-Glow/DSC2502/1023581341_JSabq-XL.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 04:37 PM
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p.1 #8 · Twilight (and Night)


Lava flow into sea at dusk (CY Planar 100/2):
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_dusk_volcano.jpg
rocky coast at dawn (I forget which lens):
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_dawn_sea.jpg
Desert landscape at dusk (Minolta Rokkor 58/1.2 wide open):
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_rokkor_night.jpg
Night-time water reflections (CY Planar 50/1.4):
http://praetoriusphoto.images.s3.amazonaws.com/fmforums/20110609_planar_columns.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #9 · Twilight (and Night)


Hehe, Jim, a third of my photos or so are night time shots. During my intense 5DII + Zeiss period last year I was out shooting every other evening. I also have standard walking routes so a lot of the shots are of the same subject. Here's a standard stop of mine. These are just M9 shots - I have at least as many from that same spot with the 5DII:



http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/cron28-057.jpg


http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/zm18-6.jpg


http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/cron75-37.jpg


http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/zm50-29.jpg


http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/zm25-18.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 04:49 PM
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p.1 #10 · Twilight (and Night)


I do almost all my shooting at night, but my kit is as far from "alt" as you can get: 5D II, 100L, 50/1.4, 24LII TSE. My experiences with the Oly 50/1.4 and Ozunon 24/2.8 really soured me on the idea of getting good results with cheap alt glass. I'd love to shoot with some Leica or Zeiss glass one day...

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_4783_MG_4774_MG_4776wpb.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_6464.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_7815wp2.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_6226.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_4873a.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_6474wp.jpg

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/fpics/sm_MG_8909.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 05:03 PM
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p.1 #11 · Twilight (and Night)


And Gunzorro, where do you live? You have an uncanny knack for creating threads that drag me out of lurkerhood. If you're near DC, we should go shooting...


Jun 09, 2011 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #12 · Twilight (and Night)


Here is one from tonight - it's the first time I intentionally shot everything out of focus!
CY Zeiss 50/1.7

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2045/5816012897_3c8591e423_b.jpg



Jun 09, 2011 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #13 · Twilight (and Night)


Interestingly, I find many "Alt" lenses are outperformed by the Canon 24-70 when it comes to shooting at night. I think this is simply because the modern Canon coatings are so good and prevent reflections from the sensor which I think can be a problem with older and otherwise "better" lenses.

For night work I would choose the Canon 24-70 over any other lens that I own, Leica and Zeiss included.

24-70 L (Self portrait)
http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.1229003.1.flat,800x800,070,f.jpg

http://ih1.redbubble.net/work.37882.9.flat,800x800,070,f.jpg

http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Gallery/l_236_1000.jpg

http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Gallery/l_262_667.jpg

http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Gallery/l_273_1000.jpg

http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Folio/Folio2/f2_11.jpg

http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Gallery/l_278_667.jpg

70-200 IS L (Seagulls at night)
http://ih3.redbubble.net/work.5283467.1.flat,800x800,070,f.jpg

lens ?
http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.20677.11.flat,800x800,070,f.jpg

probably 17-40 L
http://www.johnjovic.com/images/Gallery/l_254_1000.jpg

JJ



Jun 09, 2011 at 05:46 PM
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p.1 #14 · Twilight (and Night)


That last one gives me a little vertigo


Jun 09, 2011 at 07:09 PM
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http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8901/lightsj.jpg
The strangest assemblage of lighting I have ever laid eyes on...in a strip mall, no less.

It's a 17mm, three-pane stitch, 5DII. Ratty small tripod and remote release.

I recognize the Santa Monica pier in Corposant's shot, and what looks like Jumbo Rocks campground at Joshua Tree, in MP's desert image.



Jun 09, 2011 at 07:36 PM
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p.1 #16 · Twilight (and Night)


Sodium vapor, city scale:




Jun 09, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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p.1 #17 · Twilight (and Night)


Thank you all for following my humble little twilight shot and adding your terrific work. I'm honored, and am sure there is lot of material here.

********

denoir . . . and, hence the name, De Noir. Great stuff -- I love a study like that. Great color and detail from the Leica gear.

Martin -- powerful stuff!

obik -- I wish! I'm in the L.A. area, like mpmendenhall (he's Pasadena, I'm Simi Valley). Nice work -- that last blue piece is like a modern painting.

mpmendenhall -- Very good to see the beginning shots (quite good for first attempts!) and the terrific progression.

JohnJ -- Incredibly striking work. Great planning and execution.

rji2goleez -- I can't even write a response before your great images hit the thread! Super stuff from you and Phil.

We could get a great coffee table book out of this thread!

I'll throw something up tomorrow from the vault.






Jun 09, 2011 at 11:50 PM
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p.1 #18 · Twilight (and Night)


Here are some from LA

Disney Hall shot with a Samyang 14mm:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4884375172_a4149027ab_b.jpg

Downtown Sigma 12-24mm at 12mm

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4918084892_a7a06ecbd1_b.jpg

Alan



Jun 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM
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p.1 #19 · Twilight (and Night)


Leica M2, Elmar 90, Ektar 100, 30 seconds:



Nightshoot, Heidelberg by pictorlucis, on Flickr



Jun 10, 2011 at 01:03 AM
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p.1 #20 · Twilight (and Night)


Alan -- That's the first time I've seen the Sigma @ 12mm on full frame for an LA twilight -- not bad on the sharpness! And same for the Samyung 14.

And I see the new Ritz Carlton on the far right. . .

Which segway's into my little series.

Here's a study of an assignment where I got to shoot the J. W. Marriot/Ritz Carlton opening last year at the "AEG Wonderland" at Staples/Nokia/LA Live. I thought it might be interesting to show a series variation on theme, along the lines of denoir's lovely series above.

**********

Here's the test shot phase. Even though these were tests, after we saw the results, we knew we could use them for the intended IBEW/NECA annual calendar if all else failed. These first shots were a week or two before the Grand Opening, following an afternoon ground survey of angles and candidate buildings to obtain permission to shoot from.

All images shot with 5D and 24mm (24-70L) with intention to composite dark/light images for final publication -- these will be the "light" versions -- dark was to capture windows and signage with backlighting.

This first one is for fun while I waited for the light to be right.

1/6 @ f/11, ISO 400
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8267-2.jpg

Final composition set-up:

1.3 sec @ f/11, ISO 400
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8273-2.jpg

Best result for lighting balance, if needed for publication. We were very lucky to have nice clouds on the test shot day. We had an option to PS the clouds into the final image, if needed for effect -- I had marked my camera position, so I could comp the thing together.

1.6 sec @ f/9, ISO 400
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8283-2.jpg

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Final shots in sequence for Grand Opening Day, with all the surrounding madness and newsworthiness. I think it is interesting to see the progression of lighting effects as the twilight turns into night. I hope you feel the same.

Beginning sequence to establish image and focus (not intended for use -- too early).

5 sec @ f/11, ISO 200
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8306-2.jpg

This next was more like what I wanted to initially obtain, at the right ISO for sharp results.

6 sec @ f/11, ISO 200
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8335-2.jpg

But . . . As it got dark, the arc-lights became highly visible and I decided to switch up my approach. I upped the ISO to 1600! (later 800), and dropped the aperture to 2.8 and then 3.2 to have a chance of "freezing" the sweeping lights (if you can call around 1/10 of second "action stopping"!). A chancy move, but it paid off, and the ISO 1600 image sequence was chosen for the final 16x20 calendar image! You should know these last ones are so out of my comfort zone, coming from 4x5 and Velvia when I first started this annual series back in the early 90s! Live and learn.

1/13 @ f/2.8, ISO 1600
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8409-2.jpg

1/6 @ f/3.2, ISO 800
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_8453-2.jpg

************

And, the final product in real-world use!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/IMG_9755-2.jpg



Jun 10, 2011 at 02:16 PM
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