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p.4 #1 · Alt Lens FAQ


If I missed this my apologies....
Would it be possible to have a post explaining...
...the various chipped adapters available such as the Optix V series vs the 1st generation and any other variations....
...the various alternative focusing screens available from 3rd party manufacturers?



Aug 20, 2011 at 01:32 PM
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p.4 #2 · Alt Lens FAQ


If I may jump into this thread and be so bold...

1/ In p.2 post #13 jcolwell has a very nice list: may I add that for the Tamron Adaptall CF means Continuous Focusing

2/ Also, the Tamron Adaptall 2 might be mentioned...

3/ Where do I get alt lenses from? Could I request you remove the word "from" ... thank you! This is in post #1

This thread is a really great addition to FM alt lenses... I have happened into 4 MF lenses within the last month, and have been active to learn about and understand what I have. As I have just come upon this thread I will look forward to more information in my little archive...

cheryle




Aug 22, 2011 at 02:42 PM
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p.4 #3 · Alt Lens FAQ


Something else that I think should be added to the section about adapters is the problem with adapters having a loose fit. This can often be easily fixed, as explained here: http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Contax_db_Adapters_1.html

I think it's invaluable info because some adapters will need adjustment when you buy them, but people not knowing how to do it will just think their adapter is bad.



Aug 22, 2011 at 08:28 PM
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p.4 #4 · Alt Lens FAQ


Cheryle Sytsma wrote:
If I may jump into this thread and be so bold...


Hi Cheryle,

Thanks for the comments.

Cheryle Sytsma wrote:
1/ In p.2 post #13 jcolwell has a very nice list: may I add that for the Tamron Adaptall CF means Continuous Focusing


The 'close focus' definition for CF is commonly used for both Vivitar and Voigtlander lenses, although I can't find examples where it's actually written on the lens. According to http://www.adaptall-2.org/'Tamron Lens Nomenclature', the Tamron use of CF is "Continuous Focus". I've modified the definition for CF to be:

"CF crop factor for a digital camera, close focus or continuous focus for a lens"

Cheryle Sytsma wrote:
2/ Also, the Tamron Adaptall 2 might be mentioned...


I'm not sure if this comment is made with respect to my list, where Tamron's Adaptall 2 mount is defined for "A2".

I've updated the pg.2 list with the new definition for CF, as well as including about a dozen new terms, and introducing "=" symbols, to help show where multi-line definitions end and new definitions begin.

Cheers, Jim



Aug 25, 2011 at 01:07 PM
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p.4 #5 · Alt Lens FAQ


Jim, you are certainly doing a great and time-consuming job...
Thank you so much!

cheryle



Aug 25, 2011 at 05:15 PM
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p.4 #6 · Alt Lens FAQ


jcolwell wrote:
The 'close focus' definition for CF is commonly used for both Vivitar and Voigtlander lenses, although I can't find examples where it's actually written on the lens.

Cheers, Jim


here is an example of a vivitar lens with 'close focus' written on the lens:


This image is copyrighted by the owner



or did you mean you haven't seen an example of CF written on the lens to mean 'close focus'?



Aug 25, 2011 at 05:29 PM
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p.4 #7 · Alt Lens FAQ


sebboh wrote:
...or did you mean you haven't seen an example of CF written on the lens to mean 'close focus'?


Yes, that's what I meant.



Aug 25, 2011 at 08:11 PM
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p.4 #8 · Alt Lens FAQ


There's also some "CLOSE FOCUSING" versions in the Vivitar lineup.









Aug 25, 2011 at 08:13 PM
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p.4 #9 · Alt Lens FAQ


Yet another missing item in the FAQ: Exposure deviations with stop down metering. Anyone new to adapting manual lenses is bound to run into this issue, at least for Canon cameras.


Aug 28, 2011 at 04:33 AM
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p.4 #10 · Alt Lens FAQ


Here's some other threads to add - which might be nice to add to the OP:

Rokkor Image Thread (In Three Parts):
Wide/UW: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/954103
Normal-ish: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/924270
Telephoto: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/954105
Or just add one of the links as each thread's OP contains all three links.

Cosina Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/936376

S0ny/Minolta Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1016386

Micro 4/3rds Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/928678

Tamron Adaptall Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/933378

Tokina Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1026453

Yashica Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1012651

Hexanon Image Thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1009301



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p.4 #11 · Alt Lens FAQ


I think this is a nice page if looking up flange registration depths: http://www.markerink.org/WJM/HTML/mounts.htm




Sep 27, 2011 at 05:03 PM
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p.4 #12 · Alt Lens FAQ


Mike,

Since there are so many Zeiss C/Y users on this forum, how about adding the link to shirozina's excellent thread from 2008 on infinity focus adjustment? Helpful for anyone using old lenses, especially given the large number of adapters of varying thicknesses. Here's the link:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/593894/



Nov 05, 2011 at 07:11 PM
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p.4 #13 · Alt Lens FAQ


What about converting some of these pages into a wiki and using the FAQ as a front-end into the wiki?

As you add more content to the single FAQ post, it's going to become difficult to read and sift through the content.

You could utilize group editing as well.



Dec 01, 2011 at 09:30 PM
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p.4 #14 · Alt Lens FAQ


Moved to NEX Section.

Edited on Jan 06, 2012 at 01:25 AM · View previous versions



Jan 04, 2012 at 03:33 PM
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p.4 #15 · Alt Lens FAQ


@ontime: Great ideas, but who's going to set it all up?

@pcvrz22g: Your post seems out of place here.



Jan 05, 2012 at 04:47 PM
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p.4 #16 · Alt Lens FAQ


Perhaps I missed this, but I think a list of what lens mounts can fit on which systems. I just switched to Nikon due to my only lens being Nikon mount, and I have no idea what I can fit on Nikon.

I know that OM cannot unless you buy a kit (which I might for some lenses..). M42 mount cannot I just read..
Perhaps I will do some research and put together a list for lazy people like me



May 28, 2012 at 05:05 PM
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p.4 #17 · Alt Lens FAQ


I just found this method of infinity adjustment for indoors.
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-123.html


EDIT:
I just found a new lens mount ID page.
http://www.kehblog.com/2011/12/lens-mount-guide-part-1.html
http://www.kehblog.com/2011/12/lens-mount-guide-part-2.html
http://www.kehblog.com/2011/12/lens-mount-guide-part-3.html

And I'll include the fairly well known http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-99.html


Need help identifying your Leica stuff...
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Main_Page#M_Series_Lenses_.26_Camera_Accessories

R lenses:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/R_Lenses_x_Focal_Length

M lenses:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/M_Lenses_x_Focal_Length



Sep 07, 2012 at 01:31 AM
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p.4 #18 · Alt Lens FAQ


mpmendenhall wrote:
I noticed this post by AhamB suggesting that we need some alt lens "sticky" posts to answer common questions. That seems like a good idea to me, but since no one else has posted one yet, here is my attempt at a FAQ outline mainly focused on alt lens usage on DSLRs. Please post your comments/criticisms/suggestions below, and I will attempt to edit/revise this post to incorporate them. Each item in this FAQ could be (and often has been) the topic of a long and complex thread; however, for an introductory FAQ, one needs to balance the merits of brevity against encyclopedic completeness; please keep this in mind when complaining about whatever fine details and unusual exceptions I have left out. Links that I can include to other informative threads on the alt lenses board to better describe the details would probably be most useful. Apologies in advance for typos, inconsistencies, and major missing sections. Perhaps if we can collectively edit this into a sufficiently useful and informative post, it can get "stickied" by some higher power on the board and save several of us the time of re-typing these answers every few weeks.

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Alt Lens DSLR FAQ
This FAQ is meant to address common questions and issues about using "alt lenses" on DSLRs.

What are "alt lenses"?
"Alt lenses" mean alternatives to the major Original Equipment Manufacturers' ("OEMs", e.g. Canon, Nikon, Sony Alpha) current lens lineups. This can range from third-party autofocus zooms to pinhole cameras. Most of the activity here on the alt lens board revolves around manual focus lenses, many from older and discontinued lens lines, but also a few new manual-focus designs (from, e.g., Zeiss, Cosina/Voigtlander, and Samyang). Even new Nikon lenses can be considered "alt" if used on Canon bodies.

Why use an alt lens?
Alt lenses greatly expand the range of photographic possibilities beyond what the OEMs offer in their own lens lineups. Alt lenses can be less expensive, offer better image quality, or produce images with a unique rendering character that OEM lenses do not. Manual focus lenses are often smaller and lighter than their OEM autofocus counterparts. Some people are also attracted to the history and fine craftsmanship embodied in classic lenses, or like the precise control and smooth handling of a manual-focus-specific lens.

How do I use an alt lens?
For third-party autofocus lenses, operation is identical to native mount lenses. You will likely find more discussion of these lenses on the appropriate Canon/Nikon gear boards.
The "alt" lenses mostly discussed here are manual focus lenses, so you will need to focus the lens by hand. See the sections below on chipped adapters and focusing issues for more discussion. Some currently produced lenses have the electronic contacts needed to allow the camera to automatically control the aperture of the lens (e.g. Zeiss ZE/ZF/ZA lenses for Canon/Nikon/Sony Alpha, or Cosina/Voigtlander SLI/II lenses), so aperture and exposure setting works just like the OEM lenses.

However, many alt lenses require manual operation of the aperture by turning the aperture ring on the lens to the appropriate aperture before hitting the shutter button. The camera metering system also doesn't know what aperture you are using, so you either need to meter once the lens is already stopped down to the intended working aperture, or correct in your head for the correct metering. An easy way to get fairly-automatic metering is to use "aperture priority" metering mode on your camera, where you choose the aperture on the lens and the camera chooses the appropriate shutter speed for the scene right before taking the picture.

What alt lenses can I use on my camera?
A few current alt-lens manufacturers, such as Zeiss, Voigtlander, and Samyang, offer lenses that can be directly attached to popular Nikon/Canon/Sony Alpha/Pentax/etc DSLRs with no additional work. However, many lenses originally designed for other camera mounts may also be usable on your DSLR with minor (or major) additions or alterations.

The most important factor in determining whether you can use a lens on your camera is the "register distance," the distance between the lens mount and the film or sensor plane for the lens' native mount. You can find a fairly comprehensive list of mount register distances here; some of the interesting ones are:

  1. Leica M (rangefinder): 27.95mm
  2. Canon FD: 42mm
  3. Minolta MD: 43.72mm
  4. Canon EF (EOS): 44mm
  5. Sigma SA 44mm
  6. Sony Alpha: 44.6mm
  7. M42 (Pentax Screwmount): 45.46mm
  8. Pentax K: 45.46mm
  9. Contax/Yashica (CY): 45.5mm
  10. Olympus OM: 46mm
  11. Nikon F : 46.5mm
  12. Leica R (SLR): 47mm
  13. Contax N: 48mm
  14. Mamiya 645: 63.3mm

This sampling explains the popularity of Canon EOS cameras (and the emerging popularity of Sony Alpha) with many alt lens users; with one of the shorter register distances, every mount after Canon EOS on the list can be easily adapted.


Actually that's only part of the reason...The Canon EF mount shares the same short and versatile registration distance as the Sigma SA mount but the EF mount is larger in diameter, allowing a greater range of lenses to be used.
For instance, most Canon EF lenses can be converted to SA mount whilst retaining their AA and AF functions (not their IS function though) but the rear element of the Canon EF 85mm f1.2L is actually larger in diameter than the bore diameter of the SA mount, making it impossible to convert it for use on the SA mount.
However, the older FD-L versions can be converted to SA mount as they have smaller rear elements.
In general though, after the Canon EF mount, the SA mount can take a greater range of lenses than Pentax mount SLR's and DSLR's and even more than the second most popular SLR/DSLR mount out there, the Nikon F mount.



Apr 01, 2013 at 03:19 AM
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p.4 #19 · Alt Lens FAQ


This is a fantastic thread and should be re-stickied.


May 13, 2013 at 09:37 PM
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p.4 #20 · Alt Lens FAQ


cogitech wrote:
This is a fantastic thread and should be re-stickied.


It was accidentally un-stuck.



May 14, 2013 at 12:27 AM
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