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p.1 #1 · backup logic



as long as i have an external hardisc as a backup, i am safe, right? do i really need drobo, that kind of thing RAID system.

i have 3 harddrives in my mac, one is for OS, one is for scratch Disk, the last one is for data(1TB).

i need one exteral harddisc to monitor my data drive and OS drive, as the data drive get full, just change a new one, the old one will be in storage, right?

is the logic correct?

thanks.



Nov 28, 2008 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #2 · backup logic


Do you have one offsite as well?


Nov 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM
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p.1 #3 · backup logic


no.
after reading poeple threads, and my data drive is getting full, i am kinda worried.



Nov 28, 2008 at 12:34 AM
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p.1 #4 · backup logic


I maintain multiple copies of data. Two are onsite (primary and daily backup) and a weekly differential backup is rotated offsite. About every 6 months or so I do a full offsite backup. About every 3 years I replace the backup media (tape, CD and DVD until about 5 years ago, now all hard drives).

EBH



Nov 28, 2008 at 01:49 AM
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p.1 #5 · backup logic


There are many good reasons to use RAID drives...this is not one of them.

A prudent backup strategy requires:

a) two copies of all data at all times

and:

b) that both copies do not reside in the same location ever!

This can be done in any number of ways that achieve these two goals, but the most cost effective way is typically to have to use a primary working hard drive for data and two external/removable hard drives for backups. Label the two external hard drives "A" and "B", and store one off-site in a location that you go to on a regular basis (your house, a relative's house, a bank safe-deposit box, or anywhere that isn't next door to your business!). Start with "A" attached to your computer and "B" off-site. On some sort of regular interval take your local copy (currently "A") to the off-site location and exchange it for the off-site drive (currently "B"). Perform another complete backup to "B" and repeat the process. In no case, should "A", "B", and your primary computer ever be in the same place...always take the drives off-site to exchange them. The interval you choose for this exchange should be the maximum amount of data you could afford to lose in a catastrophic event (e.g. a fire). For example, if you could re-shoot the last week's worth of information easily, then swap off-site volumes once a week. Write in the calendar to backup to "A" on the odd weeks of the month, "B" on the even weeks, and then remember to do it religiously.

Other considerations:

a) For efficiency's sake, you would be well served to buy identical drives so that all power adapters and cables are all usable in on both, but this is no requirement.

b) You will also want to consider the relative security of these drives given they are portable versions of important business assets. If you believe that a theft/loss of one of these drives would be ruinous to your business, you will want to leverage some sort of volume encryption program (various operating systems have different options, of your can use a reputable volume encryption program like TrueCrypt). Don't stress over specific encryption types or key lengths (unless you have credible evidence that large, well financed, organizations will target your data), but don't rely on silly encryption capabilities built into hard drives (as they, in addition to be mostly useless from a security point of view, are highly proprietary and hard to recover in the event of a failure).

Now, this is the low end of the backup scale. Depending on the relative value of the data, there are considerably more elaborate schemes that can be employed such as large tape drives to retain not just the data, but all historical copies of the same data, or online backups that are automatically copied off site via high bandwidth links, replicated SANS, etc. However, if you've hit this level of need, you can also afford to hire someone who does this for a living to set up and maintain the system for you!



Nov 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM
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p.1 #6 · backup logic


The bible:
http://www.thedambook.com/




Nov 28, 2008 at 03:11 PM
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p.1 #7 · backup logic


People with higher speed upload capabilities should probably consider that choice. Could even set up a machine at a friends house.
I was able to backup about half a terabyte to mozy. They had some database corruption problem and lost what I sent. I can't keep resending huge amounts of data - Comcast won't like it. So Mozy is out.



Nov 28, 2008 at 06:53 PM
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p.1 #8 · backup logic


if my logic is right, how can i set up a drobo, or similar system for backup
my OS drive is 300GB and my data drive is 1TB, so, i have to put around 2x1.5TB to a drobo, to keep it working?



Nov 29, 2008 at 01:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · backup logic


kenji - setting up a Drobo or RAID system is going to ensure that you have a backup in case your data drive goes titsup. What it doesn't prevent is you having a solution in case your house is on fire or some thief steals your drive.

Are you going to be backing up just one computer or multiple computers?



Nov 29, 2008 at 11:57 PM
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p.1 #10 · backup logic


one computer.


Nov 30, 2008 at 01:22 AM
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p.1 #11 · backup logic


Ok, I'd do this:

Purchase two external 1tb drives (Firewire is preferred vs USB, but whatever works). Plan on using one as a backup locally and one as a remote backup (my "remote storage" is at my parent's house).



Nov 30, 2008 at 07:13 PM
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p.1 #12 · backup logic


but, dont i have to have at least same or more capacity than the (os and data) drives together, like around 1.5TB drive as backup,

because i have a 320GB OS drive and a 1TB data drive. and i want to back up both of them.



Nov 30, 2008 at 10:16 PM
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p.1 #13 · backup logic


I have my Macbook backing up to an external firewire drive with Time Machine, and my photos being sync'd to another drive.


Dec 01, 2008 at 12:30 AM
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p.1 #14 · backup logic


kenji,

For image file and any other data backup, you are ONLY backing up your data; NOT the OS. OS and other softwares should be a separate backup file set. And you will want to organize your data to enable efficient backup and well as efficient handling of these files on a regular basis. That allows you, as an example, to put images from 2 years ago separately that you aren't using regularly on a different backup drive which you can just store safely. Also note that you are going to be making a backup NOT an image of your drive. And you will probably want to make both full and incremental backups. These also affect the size needed for your back drives.

Additionally you probably want to look at your drives and setup a good partitioning scheme. Not only does that make backup much more efficient, it also makes recovery a more reasonable task.

The backup scenario out lined by other posters above, particularly jarchambault's post, are good approaches (very good). And do not get fooled by "raid hype", raid is not really needed for these kinds of data backups.



Dec 01, 2008 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #15 · backup logic


Rodney O wrote:
kenji,

For image file and any other data backup, you are ONLY backing up your data; NOT the OS. OS and other softwares should be a separate backup file set. And you will want to organize your data to enable efficient backup and well as efficient handling of these files on a regular basis. That allows you, as an example, to put images from 2 years ago separately that you aren't using regularly on a different backup drive which you can just store safely. Also note that you are going to be making a backup NOT an image of your
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what is difference between an image of the drive and backup?
can you tell me more about the full and incremental backup?
I am looking for an easy backup solution for my os and data (on separate backup drive) so that i can up and running after something goes wrong. as for data drive, I will replace a new one each year. keep the old data drive in storage, if i ever need to look for some old files, i will plug that into my computer.



Dec 01, 2008 at 12:26 PM
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p.1 #16 · backup logic


Kenji,

An image of a drive partition is an exact copy of that partition. It will restore to an exact replica of what you had when the image was made. An image is generally useful for cloning and not for backing up data.

A backup has more flexibility compression may be used. You can specific what is to ba backed up, etc etc.

I suggest you do some googling and try wikipedia for full definitions That will stand you in good stead for this.

hth



Dec 02, 2008 at 02:31 AM
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p.1 #17 · backup logic


is there a program or Drobo will make a copy of my bootable OS as backup? along with my data drive.


Dec 06, 2008 at 03:57 AM
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p.1 #18 · backup logic


I think you need to learn about the various types and applications of backups. Unfortunately I cannot recommend any specific books, but they are out there.

There are many types of backup software. Some are better for different purposes than others. Depending on the type of backup and purpose I use a combination of file synchronization, disk imaging, and file containers.

EBH



Dec 06, 2008 at 05:26 PM





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