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p.1 #1 · To focus stack or not...


Simple comparison of some shots of a very cooperative soldier fly.
Apart from the control of DOF focus stacking can give- it's very useful for cross-eye stereograms although you are asking a lot of the subject.

Brian V.


Single shot F10



5 shot focus stack (all F10)



Single shot F8



7 shot focus stack (all F8)





Cross-eye stereogram






Oct 06, 2008 at 12:46 AM
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p.1 #2 · To focus stack or not...


i love stereograms, but this one seems like a really far cross, i had to move my head away from my screen more than usual. That could be because I am very tired though too. Nice Shots, I liked the stacked ones more.


Oct 06, 2008 at 01:13 AM
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p.1 #3 · To focus stack or not...


If I have the chance to stack, I would, specially at DOF starved high magnification.

I also like the focus stacked images better here. Your stacked images are very clean, no usual 'halo' artifacts. What software did you use? and while I'm at it, can you elaborate on your stereogram workflow?



Oct 06, 2008 at 01:26 AM
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p.1 #4 · To focus stack or not...


Brian how did you manage to get the fly to cooperate so well wack it across the eye with something just kidding of course. Not sure if I have seen an image presented with an insect with this sort of injury I guess you would call it. Focus stacking certianly can be useful to improve dof.


Oct 06, 2008 at 01:36 AM
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p.1 #5 · To focus stack or not...


arcer63 wrote:
i love stereograms, but this one seems like a really far cross, i had to move my head away from my screen more than usual. That could be because I am very tired though too. Nice Shots, I liked the stacked ones more.


Thanks for the comments - I found the 3-D very easy on this one- have you tried sitting further from the screen ?
Must admit there is a window violation in the bottom right hand corner

Brian V.


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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:43 AM
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p.1 #6 · To focus stack or not...


n0b0 wrote:
If I have the chance to stack, I would, specially at DOF starved high magnification.

I also like the focus stacked images better here. Your stacked images are very clean, no usual 'halo' artifacts. What software did you use? and while I'm at it, can you elaborate on your stereogram workflow?


Thanks for the comments

I tend to use combinez5 for stacking or do it by hand (these were cz5 stacks). Whilst I do manually remove any halo effects - these particular stacks came out very clean I suspect because the alignment was very good.

Stereogram work flow :-
Take two shots or shot sets if using focus stacking with a sideways movent of about 1/30th the subject distance- normally 5 to 10mm for macro subjects.
take the single or stacked images into the freeware prog stereophotomaker. with the images in the parallel position (ie as taken) use the align images - you need to size and rotate the images so you get horizontal alignment of all the bits in the image then using a pair of anaglyph glasses set the stereo window so all the image appears to be behind the window. Then swap the images over to make it a cross-eye stereogram and add a border which helps in viewing them.

Brian V.



Oct 06, 2008 at 01:51 AM
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p.1 #7 · To focus stack or not...


hydrotoast wrote:
Brian how did you manage to get the fly to cooperate so well wack it across the eye with something just kidding of course. Not sure if I have seen an image presented with an insect with this sort of injury I guess you would call it. Focus stacking certianly can be useful to improve dof.


Thanks for the comments

Not sure if I caught this fly just after it had bumped into something but it was amazingly cooperative. I cut the leaf it was sitting on and placed it on a sun chair so I could rest the lens on the same chair- It sat there for over an hour (I wasn't taking shots quite all that time). It's not that unusual to find bugs with dented compound eyes. eg old shot of greenbottle fly below.

Brian V.





Oct 06, 2008 at 01:55 AM
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p.1 #8 · To focus stack or not...


Wow, Brian - these are fantastic stacks! Nice work. You present a very convincing answer to the title question

I stack whenever I can, too, but I have a lot to learn



Oct 06, 2008 at 02:11 AM
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p.1 #9 · To focus stack or not...


Eyvind Ness wrote:
Wow, Brian - these are fantastic stacks! Nice work. You present a very convincing answer to the title question

I stack whenever I can, too, but I have a lot to learn


Thanks Evyind

I just find focus stacking a useful tool - it can free you from some constraints on either aperture or on shooting angles when you are trying to maximise DOF, but it certainly isn't always necessary for taking good macro shots.

Brian V.



Oct 06, 2008 at 02:33 AM
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p.1 #10 · To focus stack or not...


Excellent demonstration Brian. I've found soldier flies will often land and not move for several minutes, followed by hyperactivity.


Oct 06, 2008 at 02:59 AM
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p.1 #11 · To focus stack or not...


brilliant shots and demo of stacking


Oct 06, 2008 at 05:34 AM
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p.1 #12 · To focus stack or not...


Thanks PP and michael for looking and commenting

PP -soldier flies are weird like dragonflies can be- sometimes they are very skittery, other times they are totally laid back like this one was- I took over 50 shots of this fly without it so much as it twitching.

Brian v.



Oct 06, 2008 at 05:58 AM
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p.1 #13 · To focus stack or not...


I actually think I like the non-stacked at least as much but it's a very different feel. It's also very cool to see the difference side-to-side either.

I really like the eyes on the soldier flies. the second two shots are my personal fave.



Oct 06, 2008 at 06:39 AM
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p.1 #14 · To focus stack or not...


Love the cross-eye, Brian. Always a treat.

Kenny



Oct 06, 2008 at 08:55 AM
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p.1 #15 · To focus stack or not...


Those dents make me wonder if compound eyes optic nerves (more eyes more nerves)also transmit pain


Oct 06, 2008 at 09:23 AM
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p.1 #16 · To focus stack or not...


brilliant comparison. Think the 1st soldier fly stack is particularly good because I like that the DOF progression at the back half feels normal and fluid. The second stack feels a bit more abrupt to me, but, interestingly enough, not nearly as abrupt as the non-focus-stack close-up shot. I guess this shows that whether you focus stack or not, DOF in-focus cut-offs are important to think about (i.e. in the second series, having just the eyes in focus seems weird because the DOF segmentation matches the body segmentation too well). pardon the ramble and hope the comment makes sense


Oct 06, 2008 at 12:06 PM
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p.1 #17 · To focus stack or not...


I like both the stacked and non stacked shots (Brian and I already discussed this over at PoTN). I would have stopped down to F11 on the single images though and shot them from a slightly different angle


Oct 06, 2008 at 12:12 PM
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p.1 #18 · To focus stack or not...


I much prefer the stacked shots. In shot number 2 the difference is huge. They would especially be more impressive to the casual viewer.


Oct 06, 2008 at 12:21 PM
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p.1 #19 · To focus stack or not...


Impressive Brian...I don't know how you do it? Bugs can tollerate me for a few seconds which is all the time I have to take a few single shots.

-Roy



Oct 06, 2008 at 12:29 PM
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p.1 #20 · To focus stack or not...


Thanks for the comments all - very interesting

Think it's interesting how stacked shots can look odd as it's a learnt function from looking at photographs, not an innate function. I tend not to notice it now as I do so many stacked shots, but it can be a problem especially if there is a lot of detail in the foreground or if the subject is totally in focus which robs us of any depth judgement and makes the photograph look flat.
The one thing I haven't really tried yet but have mentioned the possibility, is focus stacking shots taken at different apertures to smooth out DOF boundaries.
In the end it's just another tool which has it's uses depending on the style of photograph you are trying to produce.

Brian V.



Oct 06, 2008 at 12:41 PM
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