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Scott Stoness
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p.1 #1 · Bow River

The following are some pictures of Bow River (right in Lake Louise) - I was out on a hike and my goal was Larch and I did not want to hike before the sun came up because of bears and dark. So I got these at sunrise and went on to hike yesterday.

I am trying a new sharpening method - http://pacificnw.naturephotographers.net/tips/photoshop.htm - what do you think of sharpening. I sharpened first in iphoto so that might have messed up the directions.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

All tripod, CP, ndgrad, mirror lock up, remote shutter release, 3 image hdr plus/minus 1 stop

Scott

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Model	Canon EOS 20D
Date	2008:09:21 13:47:58
Original date	2008:09:19 06:05:25
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Focal number	f/16.0
ISO speed	100 ISO

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Date	2008:09:21 13:48:46
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Sep 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM

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p.1 #2 · Bow River

And 1 more. Thanks for looking. Scott

I posted my Larch ones at http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/689724 if you want to see Larch.

Scott

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Date	2008:09:21 13:50:32
Original date	2008:09:19 05:56:44
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Sep 21, 2008 at 07:59 PM

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p.1 #3 · Bow River

They all look a tiny bit oversharpened to me. Especially 1,2,3. The grad is given away in the exposure on the tree on the left on 1,2 but is most noticeable in #2. My favorite is 4 because the lines lead nicely into the frame, there is no bush or tree in the forground blocking ( 2,3 ) and the peak isn't obscured ( 1,3).

Sharpening is a strange thing, so dependent on output medium and viewing distance. In each of these photos, the sharpness of the immediate forground is what catches my eye.

Paul

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM

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p.1 #4 · Bow River

Thanks Melor - maybe I need to stop using the grads and stick with hdr for mountains - I see what you mean particularly in the 2nd.

I got some feedback on sharpening and will resharpen the last again - the feedback was not to sharpen in iphoto first.

What is everyone else doing - do you save unsharpened or save in photshop multiple layers (sharpen overlay) or just sharpen and save in jpg losing the layers. I am now at 2 tera bytes and climbing between movies and pictures and music.

Better?

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Model	Canon EOS 20D
Date	2008:09:21 17:37:08
Original date	2008:09:19 18:56:44
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Focal number	f/16.0
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Sep 21, 2008 at 11:26 PM

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p.1 #5 · Bow River

Scott I am with Paul in that they look oversharpened.

#1 & 2 are my faves although I am not particularly found of the cutesih framing with
nature on nature motifs.

#3 and 4 fall on the insipid and less interesting for me.

Altogether I am looking to see something else other than nature shots from you in the future.

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:31 PM

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p.1 #6 · Bow River

Hi Scott,
I agree with Paul. A bit too much sharpening in the first 3.
I'm not experienced enough to tell NG effects from artifacts of a polarizer and of blending images with HDR. Whatever, 1-3 all appear off, with areas which are too light around the sky/tree boundarie, esp on the left. Maybe present on the last, but within acceptable range there.

I think Kaden's comments are a bit harsh and unfair. However, I do respect the encouragement from "Kreative Kaden" (I know you are reading this and OK with a bit of pushback) to be more experimental. He sets a good example. However, you are concentrating on landscapes, have wonderful "material" to work with locally, and a number of engaging images. Compositionallly, all are "nice" but the last has far too much foreground stone to retain interest, appears slightly bowed down in the sides, and possibly tilted down left. I like the first three.

Scott

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:42 PM

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p.1 #7 · Bow River

I really like the first one.

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

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p.1 #8 · Bow River

Kaden K. wrote:
Scott I am with Paul in that they look oversharpened.

#1 & 2 are my faves although I am not particularly found of the cutesih framing with
nature on nature motifs.

#3 and 4 fall on the insipid and less interesting for me.

Altogether I am looking to see something else other than nature shots from you in the future.

I had to look up insipid to understand what it is Kaden - no offense taken - I agree that I could get better elsewhere and be more creative - I am just pushing to master repeatability in landscapes before the winter comes - I shall look for an opportunity to impress you.

How about

- different frame, different subject

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:50 PM

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p.1 #9 · Bow River

Thanks sbeme - I think I need to fix the sky a bit as you say - I was just experimenting with sharpening here but I should have got the image better before i started. HDR sometimes leaves light areas near gradients that I fix by overlaying the original and painting on - but that is work intensive for a wintery day. I was trying the recommendation from Landscape forum.

dclement7 - thanks for the feedback - I appreciate the input - it is always helpful to me to know which one looks best. I think that one is worth fixing a bit. Thanks.

Sep 21, 2008 at 11:55 PM

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p.1 #10 · Bow River

I love the first shot, Scott. It is beautiful.

@Kaden - This IS the landscape forum. Hard to critique a guy for posting landscape pics here. : D

Sharon

Sep 22, 2008 at 12:02 AM

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p.1 #11 · Bow River

Scott,
The horse is a beaufy! Beautiful colors, nicely composed.

Scott G

Sep 22, 2008 at 12:35 AM

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p.1 #12 · Bow River

The others are good, but I like the color and composition of the first image best. Yes, it looks a bit over-sharpened to me, but I find it hard to evaluate images as small as the allowed size here. I like your first version of number 4 better than the second version. I'm distracted by what looks to be image noise in the trees on the right. Have you tried number 4 re-composed with a little cropping of the rocks at the bottom?

Sep 22, 2008 at 12:50 AM

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p.1 #13 · Bow River

Thumbs up on the horse Scott. Very nice.

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:02 AM

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p.1 #14 · Bow River

Sharon wrote:

"@Kaden - This IS the landscape forum. Hard to critique a guy for posting
landscape pics here. : D"

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Hey Sharon,

#1. I believe I did not intend to critique Scott for posting landscapes but asked to
see more than that.

#2. Interestingly I am under the impression that Fredmiranda isn't just a landscape
forum. Look at the headings of the different forums.

Maybe we have different perceptions. That said this is the critique forum afterall.

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:27 AM

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p.1 #15 · Bow River

My bad, Kaden. This is the photo critique forum. I stumbled in the wrong place.

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:35 AM

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p.1 #16 · Bow River

Scott Stoness wrote:

What is everyone else doing - do you save unsharpened or save in photshop multiple layers (sharpen overlay) or just sharpen and save in jpg losing the layers. I am now at 2 tera bytes and climbing between movies and pictures and music.

Better?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I will do my edits and flatten ONLY if I am sure I won't want to fool with them later. This gets saved as a PSD. I will flatten and sharpen / resize / profile depending on where it is going, i.e. web / print then save a copy for that destination as a high level jpg, but NOT over the original edited psd. I only save as a jpg once at the very end. Some will complain about the use of a jpg at the end, but I have never seen artifacts from the compression if saved once.

Of course some photos don't get any special treatment and get mass edited via batch routines I use.

Paul

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:40 AM

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p.1 #17 · Bow River

pearlstreet wrote:
I love the first shot, Scott. It is beautiful.

Sharon

Thanks for the feedback Sharon - I appreciate the input.

Thanks for the feedback on the horse Scott and Kaden - it was meant to be more of a joke to lighten up the post. My daughter rides horses and I shoot horses when I wait for her because she likes horses.

Sep 22, 2008 at 03:09 AM

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p.1 #18 · Bow River

AuntiPode wrote:
The others are good, but I like the color and composition of the first image best. Yes, it looks a bit over-sharpened to me, but I find it hard to evaluate images as small as the allowed size here. I like your first version of number 4 better than the second version. I'm distracted by what looks to be image noise in the trees on the right. Have you tried number 4 re-composed with a little cropping of the rocks at the bottom?

Sharon, I should have mentioned that I knew there was fringing/haloing around the trees - I am going to fix it up - I was experimenting with sharpening. And it appears that I went to far. I shall look at 4 with less rocks. Thanks for your suggestions.

Sep 22, 2008 at 03:13 AM

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p.1 #19 · Bow River

Melor wrote:
Scott Stoness wrote:

What is everyone else doing - do you save unsharpened or save in photshop multiple layers (sharpen overlay) or just sharpen and save in jpg losing the layers. I am now at 2 tera bytes and climbing between movies and pictures and music.

Better?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I will do my edits and flatten ONLY if I am sure I won't want to fool with them later. This gets saved as a PSD. I will flatten and sharpen / resize / profile depending on where it is going, i.e. web / print then save a copy for that destination as a high level jpg, but NOT over the original edited psd. I only save as a jpg once at the very end. Some will complain about the use of a jpg at the end, but I have never seen artifacts from the compression if saved once.

Of course some photos don't get any special treatment and get mass edited via batch routines I use.

Paul

Thanks Paul - I guess I will have to buy some bigger hard drives

Thanks

Sep 22, 2008 at 03:29 AM

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p.1 #20 · Bow River

Testing to see if 1 is improved - I fixed the sky a bit and resharpened. Scott

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Date	2008:09:21 22:50:12
Original date	2008:09:20 08:05:25
Focal length	20mm
Focal number	f/16.0
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Sep 22, 2008 at 04:51 AM

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p.1 #21 · Bow River

I like the composition in the last one best. If I'd taken it I'd print it large, hang it on the wall and try to fake modesty when I received the compliments.

Sep 22, 2008 at 05:14 AM

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p.1 #22 · Bow River

Thanks AuntiPode - I appreciate the compliment - Scott

Sep 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM

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p.1 #23 · Bow River

Re-post looks much better.

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:35 PM

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p.1 #24 · Bow River

Hey Scott,

As you may know I am a horse person and as such and photographically I like the horse picture. It is very, very good. Great light! Most non-horsey people don't know to catch the ears forward as you did.

My only critique are the four rails in the left background. I would clone them out. Other than that, great blokah.

Ron

Sep 22, 2008 at 01:51 PM

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p.1 #25 · Bow River

Scott Stoness wrote:
Testing to see if 1 is improved - I fixed the sky a bit and resharpened. Scott

To my eyes, the first photo as it looks beautiful. The contrast between the sky and the peaks looks great. Lovely photos!

Sep 22, 2008 at 03:01 PM


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