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p.1 #1 · RAW Revisited


I have been away from the forum for a while. I did a few searches and didn't find my answer, so I will bore you with a question that may have been adressed before. At least its not another 1DIII issue.

What are Canon users using to process thier RAW files now. ACR has been updated. Raw shooter came and went I believe, DPP's intereface seems to be a litle better, and Capture one came out with version 4 beta.

My current RAW converter is Capture One 3.7 with the 3rd party color profiles. It produces good color and very sharp images from my 1DsII files. The workflow is fast. But, my old PC crashed and I built a new one using Vista. So I need to move to a RAW converter that will run on Vista.

What is the best RAW converter for Canon shooters, that will run on Vista? For me, best would mean a raw converter that produces good to great color, very good sharpness, and a good to very good work flow when dealling with 300-400 images per session

Thanks,
Darrell



Sep 28, 2007 at 10:55 AM
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p.1 #2 · RAW Revisited


Here is an interesting article I read recently:

http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/rawconverters/rawconverters.htm

Personally, I use Lightroom which covers about 90% of my edits, I then export to Photoshop and do any other work + capture sharpening. I will admit I am biased however



Sep 28, 2007 at 11:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · RAW Revisited


Another vote for lightroom. Who knows if ACR is the best converter. I suppose another might be marginally better, but then again I can always seem to get my images the way I want them. The other workflow features in lightroom way out way the other factors for me.


Sep 28, 2007 at 11:36 AM
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p.1 #4 · RAW Revisited


To be clear Adobe's two products, LightRoom and CS3/Bridge, use the same ACR which I like a lot. I use it through CS3/Bridge on Mac. I suspect that Bridge/ACR will work even better in Windows (since thumbnails are made/stored better) but I have no experience.


Sep 28, 2007 at 11:58 AM
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p.1 #5 · RAW Revisited


Another vote for Lightroom.


Sep 28, 2007 at 12:02 PM
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I just use ACR built in to CS2. I've played with Bibble and was impressed, but it's just so easy to use ACR as part of the workflow to get in to Photoshop.

My workflow uses the raw converter only for capture sharpening, so I have no experience with getting "very good sharpness" out of a converter. I don't want to give up the control I get in Photoshop and do everything insde the raw converter.



Sep 28, 2007 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #7 · RAW Revisited


Had LR but hated it, use ACR and then CS3.


Sep 28, 2007 at 12:09 PM
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John P Mulgrew wrote:
Had LR but hated it, use ACR and then CS3.

Ditto.

And then I rediscovered Lightroom and now it's where I do most of my work. Only 5% goes on to PS. I think the ACR / LR raw engine is pretty good. Someone said it before: other RAW converters might be slightly better, but the combination of a) a rudimentary asset management, b) raw development (including virtual copies for B&W conversion in my case) and c) capable printing, all in one program is incredibly useful.



Sep 28, 2007 at 12:23 PM
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Bibble Lite. Only real option that would work on my elderly laptop after RAW Shooter people bailed for cash. Very powerful, but not exactly intuitive. Dave


Sep 28, 2007 at 12:31 PM
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p.1 #10 · RAW Revisited


You mentioned Raw Shooter..wasn't that the building blocks for Lightroom?
The way I heard it Adobe bought Raw Shooter, then brought out Lightroom.



Sep 28, 2007 at 12:55 PM
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Wow, there are a lot of Lightroom responses.

I actually tried LR Beta. I like the workflow, and the virtual copies, the printing, etc. But I found it to not be as sharp as the Capture ONE I had been using. I set both programs to the lowest sharpening setting.

In the end I preferred the Capture One images. Note, I obviously know my way around Capture One better than LR, so this could affect the results.

I know LR is a better All-in-one package than the others, but I am simply looking at getting the best possible image quality with a package that can let me do ~300 images in a session without going insane.

I came into this think Capture One was sharper and DPP provided better color. What have you all seen?

Thanks,
Darrell



Sep 28, 2007 at 01:09 PM
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p.1 #12 · RAW Revisited


thedigitalbean wrote:
Here is an interesting article I read recently:

http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/rawconverters/rawconverters.htm

Personally, I use Lightroom which covers about 90% of my edits, I then export to Photoshop and do any other work + capture sharpening. I will admit I am biased however


That's very informative, Thanks for posting the link.

Darrell



Sep 28, 2007 at 01:13 PM
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p.1 #13 · RAW Revisited


No votes for Aperture?


Sep 28, 2007 at 01:26 PM
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I primairly use Lightroom, and from time to time I use Aperture. Since Lightroom will work on all my pc's and macs, that is why I use it most. Aperture is a good program for the Mac though.


Sep 28, 2007 at 01:37 PM
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Emile Gregoire wrote:
Ditto.

And then I rediscovered Lightroom and now it's where I do most of my work. Only 5% goes on to PS. I think the ACR / LR raw engine is pretty good. Someone said it before: other RAW converters might be slightly better, but the combination of a) a rudimentary asset management, b) raw development (including virtual copies for B&W conversion in my case) and c) capable printing, all in one program is incredibly useful.


Ditto ditto?

I tried LR, loved the feel but not results. Demo'ing the latest version now, and in 20 days I'll be a LR owner, everything else is better.



Sep 28, 2007 at 01:48 PM
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p.1 #16 · RAW Revisited


Tom,

Have the results in LR improved since the first time you tried it? If so, is it the product that improved, or your understanding of the product, that improved?

Thanks,
Darrell



Sep 28, 2007 at 02:10 PM
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dmccombs wrote:
Tom,

Have the results in LR improved since the first time you tried it? If so, is it the product that improved, or your understanding of the product, that improved?

Thanks,
Darrell


I know I'm not Tom, but I think it's a combination of the two. LR 1.1 was a serious improvement over 1.0. On top of that, working with it made me rethink my workflow and I concluded it was faster than the Bridge / CS3 workflow I had before. Especially the feature of virtual copies was an advantage for me - I tend to deliver my wedding images in both color and B&W versions, and being able to do this in one program was an incredible time-saver.



Sep 28, 2007 at 06:55 PM
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dmccombs wrote:
My current RAW converter is Capture One 3.7 with the 3rd party color profiles. It produces good color and very sharp images from my 1DsII files. The workflow is fast. But, my old PC crashed and I built a new one using Vista. So I need to move to a RAW converter that will run on Vista.


But CaptureOne v3.7 (and v4 beta) do run under Vista - just fine.

CaptureOne v3.7 won't do it well "out of the box" but all you need to do is to tick the "Run as Administrator" box in the desktop icon's properties. For colour profiles, instead of copying them into the spool folder, just richt-click an ICC/ICM colour profile file in Windows Explorer and select "Install Colour Profile" - that option also existed under XP as well. The only problem I've had is the size of up/down buttons at the ends of the thumbnail vertical scroll bar, they change size when you put the mouse over them, which can be a little annoying at first but there is a knack you'll get hold of.



Sep 28, 2007 at 06:58 PM
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p.1 #19 · RAW Revisited


I use Capture One (the best image quality) for my commercial work. Switched from Aperture to Lightroom (really fast and easy) for weddings, events and family stuff. DPP is for the best color.



Sep 28, 2007 at 07:38 PM
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p.1 #20 · RAW Revisited


I am on Mac, but I simply use ACR. It does the job just fine, plus it integrates especially well with Photoshop. For example I can embed RAWs into PS smart layers, double-click them, and reopen in ACR to do further editing of the RAW conversion.


Sep 28, 2007 at 09:21 PM
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