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I took these last Saturday at Grand Casino in Hinckley, MN:



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May 07, 2008 at 07:53 PM
Josh Evilsizor
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nice shots. I just contacted a local MMA org hoping to be able to take some shots of events...

May 07, 2008 at 07:55 PM
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Always great shots Jason. Thanks for sharing.

I took some more shots in my dojo this time with action sparring...not too bad. I'll post later.

-Frank

May 07, 2008 at 08:05 PM
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Cool, thanks.

Josh- you'll probably increase your chances if you agree to give the promoter copies of the pics. You can try making a few bucks at it after you establish yourself, but if your area is anything like mine, there's not a whole lot of money on the local/regional level.

May 07, 2008 at 08:19 PM
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Jason EmKay wrote:

Josh- you'll probably increase your chances if you agree to give the promoter copies of the pics. You can try making a few bucks at it after you establish yourself, but if your area is anything like mine, there's not a whole lot of money on the local/regional level.


yeah, I offered to shoot at any event they needed me at, never mentioned being paid... honestly, I'd be happy just to shoot... MMA has been a "hobby" of mine for a long time... I've been watching since the late 80's

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May 08, 2008 at 12:46 PM
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If that's the case, you'll be a shoo-in. You'll find most promoters (as well as fighters and publications) love acquiring photography, so long as it comes without a price tag. The prevelent philosophy is "anyone with a camera is a photographer, therefore anyone with a camera can do it". But, for most of the hobbiest, it's a fair trade-off, because they're getting the best seats in the house for free.

May 08, 2008 at 06:50 PM
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I might be misunderstanding you, but:

If you are considering giving photos away for free. Please don't.

May 09, 2008 at 01:31 AM
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say snap looking good

May 09, 2008 at 02:24 AM
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Thanks, JW.

Here's my take on giving away MMA photography:

Often times I was unhappy with it because I felt it undercut my bottom line, but realistically speaking, most aspiring hobbiest photogs just won't have the drive to learn the craft to the extent I have, and in the end, won't make much of a difference regarding my business- they're taking snapshots; I'm creating iconography.

When I started, I foolishly gave away everything in hopes of getting recognition, and maybe some donations. Needless to say, people love free stuff. Well, my "free stuff" was popping up everywhere, and I wasn't getting credit. So, down the evolutionary path, I created large, intrusive logos, so there were no questions as to where the work was coming from. That was a wiser move, because now I've got name recognition, and that got me hired on a few occasions. But, this in of itself wasn't enough. See, my problem was that I was only producing the most recognized work, but not the best work. A better photographer was closing in on me, and was giving away work in hopes of overshadowing me. It work in a limited way, but he eventually gave up, because he wasn't coming up with the quantity of shots that would make potential customers want to buy his work. But he did inspire me to improve my quality, which I did dramatically.

So, as it stands, giving away work is a catch 22: if you don't, in all likelihood you won't be invited to shoot, and you won't gain the experience necessary to become good. And it's quite difficult to make money at something you're not very good at. So, it could be thought of as an apprenticeship of sorts, though one should not strictly giving away work without representation; get your name attached to your work, because if it's good enough, it may lead to future sales and gigs.

BTW, all of my advice can be taken with a grain of salt, because I really haven't "made it", nor is there a real one-size-fits-all approach to conducting business... I've shot 27 events in the past 20 months. Of those, I've only officially been recognized by four of the eight promotions I've shot at for a grand total of six occasions: once by way of having my logo added to a website, twice by being considered a "sponsor" (a fancy way of saying working for free in exchange for having my company logo added to event literature), and on three occasions I was actually hired. But, it should also be noted that my refusal to give away work has also gotten me black-balled from two promotions, and one venue.

May 09, 2008 at 04:24 PM
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Jason EmKay wrote:
Thanks, JW.

Here's my take on giving away MMA photography:

Often times I was unhappy with it because I felt it undercut my bottom line, but realistically speaking, most aspiring hobbiest photogs just won't have the drive to learn the craft to the extent I have, and in the end, won't make much of a difference regarding my business- they're taking snapshots; I'm creating iconography.

When I started, I foolishly gave away everything in hopes of getting recognition, and maybe some donations. Needless to say, people love free stuff. Well, my "free stuff" was popping up everywhere, and I wasn't getting credit. So, down the evolutionary path, I created large, intrusive logos, so there were no questions as to where the work was coming from. That was a wiser move, because now I've got name recognition, and that got me hired on a few occasions. But, this in of itself wasn't enough. See, my problem was that I was only producing the most recognized work, but not the best work. A better photographer was closing in on me, and was giving away work in hopes of overshadowing me. It work in a limited way, but he eventually gave up, because he wasn't coming up with the quantity of shots that would make potential customers want to buy his work. But he did inspire me to improve my quality, which I did dramatically.

So, as it stands, giving away work is a catch 22: if you don't, in all likelihood you won't be invited to shoot, and you won't gain the experience necessary to become good. And it's quite difficult to make money at something you're not very good at. So, it could be thought of as an apprenticeship of sorts, though one should not strictly giving away work without representation; get your name attached to your work, because if it's good enough, it may lead to future sales and gigs.

BTW, all of my advice can be taken with a grain of salt, because I really haven't "made it", nor is there a real one-size-fits-all approach to conducting business... I've shot 27 events in the past 20 months. Of those, I've only officially been recognized by four of the eight promotions I've shot at for a grand total of six occasions: once by way of having my logo added to a website, twice by being considered a "sponsor" (a fancy way of saying working for free in exchange for having my company logo added to event literature), and on three occasions I was actually hired. But, it should also be noted that my refusal to give away work has also gotten me black-balled from two promotions, and one venue.


Now I know why I am leaving a career in this industry.........

May 09, 2008 at 06:07 PM
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Do tell.

May 09, 2008 at 06:42 PM
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Stuff like this has been discussed and rediscussed over and over and over and it always just gets people up in arms over it, tempers flying, etc. soo I'd rather just leave it at this:

DON'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT

and

MAKE PEOPLE PAY FOR YOUR PHOTOS.



Edited on May 09, 2008 at 07:11 PM


May 09, 2008 at 07:11 PM
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i agree with Jason on this. i have only six events under my belt and there are only three promotions in my local area. the two smaller events are locked up they have someone taking snapshots for the website and that's all that they want. there isn't any money to pay a photog 75 150 an hour to shoot for the website no need. but the selling of pics to the camps and or the fighters is there. so how does one get in to the event you cant just buy a ticket and walk up to the cage and start shooting you need to be invited either by the promoter or the camp and if the promoter wants some pics for his website fine my name will be on it and the file size will be small "don't sell yourself short and make people pay for your photos" sound good but doesnt work with MMA. Now Jason is an awesome MMA photog and shouldn't have any problems selling but he still needs to be invited. I also started shooting little league and i DONT give anything away i havent sold anything but that's were Jonathan's quote come in.

May 09, 2008 at 09:14 PM
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But, it should also be noted that my refusal to give away work has also gotten me black-balled from two promotions, and one venue.

I would say screw you and be glad to not be associated with them. I shoot a lot of MMA too and I have worked out a good system. I shoot the fights for Jeremy Horns Promotions and I get cool Jeremy Horn memorabilia in return.

Seriously, there is no money in MMA photography. I have been shooting them forever and have yet to be paid for one. As soon as you ask for money they ask who else took photos and usually do not care about the quality.


May 10, 2008 at 03:39 AM
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The majority of the money I've made with MMA photog has been sales to the fighters rather than the promoters, and I've made one sale to a publication, which is a funny story unto itself:

MMA Worldwide came to me asking for the Brad Imes/gogoplata pic. I've spoken with them before, and came to find that they supposedly don't purchase photos- "everyone is happy with free press" I was told.



Now it's one thing if I'm trying to get my work published, but another when I'm approached for work, and I wasn't about to give work away to a publication that boast of being "world famous". I mean, c'mon- being seen in Japan doesn't get me paid in Minneapolis, and I'd rather get paid than settle for props and gimmicks.

Eventually, we came to an agreement, though, in retrospect, I should've charged more- a lot more- had I known the size and importance of the role the pic played in that particular issue.

Back to the topic at hand... Brandon is correct- by and large, there's not much money in MMA photography. One of my milestones was to get published, and I must confess, it was disappointingly anticlimactic. These days, I'm much happier with a modest pay and honest to goodness appreciation; you can't put a price-tag on respect.



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May 10, 2008 at 06:09 AM

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