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 Re: Official: Leica M11-P announced | |
retrofocus wrote:
highdesertmesa wrote:
retrofocus wrote:
RustyBug wrote:
retrofocus wrote: the more interesting question is how Leica will avoid in-house competition with Q- and SL-series. I suspect the "EVF M' will be crippled regarding no video and no AF, but I might be wrong.
If you put AF in an M ... ummm, then it isn't an M. While the EVF variant might infuse some crossover from those folks using an SL with the adapted M glass, it in no way can replace the AF functionality of an SL or Q. At that point, it is a Full Frame CL, which is an SL.
In order for their to be AF on an M ... with an actual M mount ... the distance to the focal plane would have to be correct for the M lenses, and its associated placement of the micro lenses. In order to have a native M mount, and include AF functionality, then Leica would have to develop an entirely new line of AF lenses designed for that distance. It's not like you can just toss an L mount lens onto a native M mount, and have it function properly throughout its entire focal distance range. It would require all new AF lenses. So ... no, AF (on an M) will not be a function that cripples AF sales of the Q or SL lineup.
Those that want AF will not be buying an M. Those that want manual focus, but could use a different viewing aid than the optical rangefinder ... and don't want to fiddle with the Visoflex (I have two versions, that I use as an angle finder moreover than an EVF), will be candidates for an EVF variant. BUT, in addition ... those folks who are adapting M lenses onto other mirrorless mounts will now be ENABLED (vs. crippling) to have the similar EVF experience they prefer, with an EVF variant (parallel model).
Personally, I think the inclusion of an EVF variant will OPEN A NEW MARKET for Leica. It may be of NO INTEREST to those of us who STRONGLY PREFER the merits of the optical rangefinder ... but, there are folks who won't make the leap to Leica without the EVF. I very much see the enabled market opening from (current) non-Leica shooters, vastly greater than the crippling of the Q or SL markets for those who still desire / require autofocus.
Personally, I'd like to see a tilt LCD (which allows for the angle finding) combined with the optical rangefinder, prior to an EVF. In that way, you've got the option for working in either plane (without attachments). But, that's just me ... one for go (optical RF), one for slow and low (tilting LCD). The Hassy X2D implementation of a tilt LCD looks very flush / clean when folded. I'd dig that on an M.
The idea of potential AF in an "EVF M" comes from the merge and availability of AF in the Q-system. There are many who are interested in an interchangeable lens system within the Q. This is pretty much also an "EVF M" just considering the body size.
Using Sony E-mount in parallel to the M-system, I second the preference for a tilt screen. For me it is less important than EVF though. If tilt screen, then also please with tilt option in portrait direction!
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RustyBug wrote:
1bwana1 wrote:
I would think that Leica would be much more likely to Make a Q variant with interchangeable lenses than an M variant with AF.
This ^.
Q-M
All the Q, with an M mount (manual focus only), and the M sensor / microlens arrangement.
Alternatively, a Q with ILC AF lenses. What would be totally unique would be if they made the interchangeable lenses with the leaf shutter (same as currently exists in the Q) and OIS. Leaf shutters in a FF format would be a game changer for those who use flash (gotta think outside the M user base, to the SoCaNikon market). No more HSS limitations, etc. By keeping the OIS in the lens, rather than the body, fitting IBIS into the body wouldn't be an issue. And, the leaf shutter is less vibration than a focal plane shutter. If they did put IBIS in (along with leaf / oil), that would be even more of a boon for the range of shutter speeds (high to low).
It could be a limited lens lineup of AF leaf shutters, (e.g. one wide, one normal, one portrait). This would be one heck of a setup, that would sit square between SoCaNikon and MF. Scaled down X2D, with Leica glass (vs. Hassy glass) and even more portability, essentially.
The uniqueness of the M system, retains its uniqueness.
The uniqueness of a FF leaf system, expands its uniqueness.
And the Q-M variant being the hybrid between the two.
That would be a roadmap that I could dig.
To me it wouldn't make much sense to have an interchangeable lens Q and an M with an EVF be the same camera. You wouldn't want to limit an interchangeable lens Q to be forced to use the very deep M mount flange distance.
More than that, I don't think Leica could/would/should support yet a third lens mount when they can barely design and release new options for the existing L mount. Better for Leica to just make a very small L-mount camera with a left-side EVF (full frame CL).
It will either be an M with an EVF or small L camera to fill the niche in question. An interchangeable lens Q with native M-mount will never happen.
Name it whatever, the hypothetical "EVF M" will use existing M11 and Q technology. I honestly don't care if it is a more like Q-based body with interchangeable lens mount or a M-mount body with EVF. I don't think the CL will be revived in design for full-frame to fit this purpose.
What technology does the Q3 use that is missing from the M11 other than the EVF?
External design is different from talking about the mount. If you just want an M12-EVF camera o have the external design and way of functioning from the Q3, then that makes sense.
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