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 Re: Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II | |
bootster wrote:
PhilDrinkwater wrote:
bootster wrote:
jforkner wrote:
Ordered mine today from Amazon (fulfilled by Adorama). Supposed to be here Monday, the 31st.
Got the "shipped" notice 6 hours later.
Just thought you guys would want to know.
Congratulations! You have bought yourself a great camera, and I'm 100% sure you will have a ball shooting with it.
I'm just stunned by the posters who have seemed to make it their life's work to denigrate this new camera over a thought that somehow that they would get a $3,500 camera for $2,000. Some have a whole page in their history of nothing but negative comments towards this camera. That's very, very suspicious as to motive. There has got to be an ulterior motive to dwell on this issue, and write scores of posts hammering this camera.
I've seen negative posts on new cameras before they were introduced, but this one seems to have some kind of magnetic attraction to some who just want to continually post the same damaging comments repeatedly. I don't get it, but I'm waiting for mine with the utmost enthusiasm, as I know what happens when I get a new camera. Maybe this camera has some kind of mystique we just don't know about yet. I'll know soon, that's for sure. 
It's actually quite insulting for you to question people's motive. They're disappointed because the camera wasn't all they hoped. They want to stay with canon but canon isn't doing it for them. Or maybe other reasons.
But it doesn't require suspicion.
They just don't agree with you on about what's important and their views are equally valid.
I could quite as easily say your positive post is suspicious. Are you a canon plant? Sent to reduce the negativity to a poor offering? But I wouldn't insult you like that.
We all may not agree but we have equally valid arguments.
No, it's not. I can find things suspect, and it's my prerogative to do so. What I did was set up a scenario where someones entire recent history is covered by disparaging comments about this camera. It is a hypothetical and I didn't single anyone out. If that seems to make you uneasy enough to respond to the accusation, than I am sorry, but you have some guilt that needs to be addressed. If I had accused someone in particular, and singled someone out, then it would be different, but I never did that. There is a huge difference, and to take a hypothetical premise, and accuse me of actually insulting a single person is preposterous.
There are people who are hell bent on bashing Canon as a whole, then there are others who are just bashing this camera. My accusation was toward those who are coming onto the Canon forum just to bash Canon. Those people are guilty of trolling the Canon website, for that's the definition of trolling. I never pointed a finger at anyone, and when someone wants to defend a blanket statement that is not directed towards anyone imp-articular, it is because they are guilty of trolling.
What you are doing is called "concern trolling". It's really just a process that involves acting as though you are "concerned" that I may be doing something to hurt someone or am acting in some way that is disingenuous. I made a blanket statement and never accused a single person of doing anything except for having an invested interest in constantly bashing a camera, and if that's what someone is doing, then I suspect they have some kind of hidden reason for doing so. If you don't like a camera, and constantly post about how much you dislike it, it becomes a real nuisance to the thread, as it adds all sorts of unnecessary threads that are just trolling that thread. The definition of trolling is to post in a thread to provoke a rise out of people, and add no real value to that thread. It is just to keep getting a rise out of someone, but isn't helpful or intended to be useful to the discussion. If someone thinks that my accusation of having an agenda fits or describes them, then my hunch was correct, and they are guilty of trolling that thread.
You don't have to realize you are doing it, but some folks just like to get a rise out of others, and it's human nature to do so. That doesn't mean that you are innocent of trolling that thread. Then there are the extents and severity of doing it. When two people are involved in a continuous back and forth and it doesn't add to the discussion, it's a form of trolling.
I'm sorry if you think I was describing someone in particular who was't aware they were trolling the post, but the ones that respond to the accusation are the ones who are knowingly, and admittedly just posting to get a rise out of the people who are sincere about discussing the camera, and not interested in a constant and continued attack on the posters for expressing their interest about getting helpful information about the camera without unneeded and unneccesary traffic.
Here's my point in a nutshell. I was called out by you and others for insinuating that people were trolling a post, while the folks that are doing it are somehow insulated from scrutiny, and I don't have a right to express MY "concerns" about what is going on, but they can keep on posting without any questioning their "motive". I'm sorry if I was trying to point out something I saw as an "issue", but I have been trying to add my enthusiasm to my interest in this camera, and the people who don't like the camera for some reason don't think I should have the right to post positive things about it. I NEVER point to particular individuals, but somehow I get reactions from certain individuals because they seem to think I was referring to them. If the shoe fits, then I don't feel sorry for them.
And there you go again.
Wild unsubstantiated accusations about peoples feelings. What might take a therapist months to uncover with certainty, you can do in seconds with 100% certainty? Seriously? You don't know the first thing about me. You don't know my reasons or motives. I harbour no guilt. I'm disappointed. I was hoping to replace my aging backup 5d3 with it, but lack of improved DR and dual card slots now means I can't .. plus maybe the AF points not being well spread. For some of us a camera and camera system is actually just a tool - we don't have emotional investment in it.
You are not the final word on trolling. Just because you say something doesn't make it true, although clearly in your mind it does. You'll find my posts are not wholly negative at all. I've highlighted many different things at different times on different cameras, although if I'm challenged that wide DR is not ever needed unless a mistake is made, I will re-challenge that point.
You'll also find my reviews are extremely balanced, but I will have no issues with pointing out the problems that you and some other people seem to have a real issue with anyone highlighting. My 5d4 review was very positive and called it the best wedding camera out there, but not perfect by any means. You're welcome to read it, but be aware it does make some points that the camera isn't perfect, which you may find offensive:
https://www.phildrinkwaterphotography.co.uk/canon-5d4-detailed-review-for-wedding-photographers/
It seems people here try to close down disappointment at the first opportunity. Why is that? Here's what typically happens:
"DR is limited"
"Yes but you don't need it unless you're a rubbish photographer"
"No, here's some examples"
"I don't like them, and neither should you"
"Err it's subjective"
"No, it's just rubbish"
or...
"It's lacking dual cards"
"You don't need them"
"No, really, I work in mission critical stuff, I do"
"Look here are the card failure rates"
"Irrelevant because it will happen, hence why we have raid disks"
"No one has ever really known anyone who had a card fail"
"I do!"
<repeat with endless excuses>
Again .. why is that? I've even questioned it in this thread. If you're happy with the camera, how does my assessment of it suiting MY needs matter to you in any way, shape or form? You're willing to spend your energy on questioning my motives in discussing a camera you've already purchased and were probably always going to? If we're doing psych analysis, what's going on there? If people use reviews / individual assessments to help their buying decisions, what does it mean that you're still here after ordering yours?
If you're happy with the camera, just be happy with it. I'm not. I think it was a cheap move. My feelings are towards the camera, and nothing to do with you or others.
We are reflecting the reality and what it might mean to our buying decision. As soon as this happens, we are accused of all sorts to try to shut us down.
Yet again .. why is that? Why are you still here, having purchased and even pre-ordered the camera? A genuine question.
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