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Re: Sony A7(r) Images Thread


Here are some my tip for AF lens with A7, hope it help with people.

Jochenb wrote:

A general question to all: how well does the focus peaking work? Is it reliable? Does it make the EVF lag? I ask because when I still used Zeiss lenses on Canon I often prefered using a precision focusing screen over zooming in in liveview for each shot.


With FE55, I almost never use manual focus, unless it is at MFD, at that case I found AF focus can focus at any plane in that box. In this case, I use magnification. So focus peaking is irreverent for AF lens. For infinity focus, I found AF is even better than my MF , the result match my CAREFULLY manual focus with Magnification: extreme reliable. and I found I can afford the big center box and recompose error if subject distance is more than say 3M even WO.

Peaking itself doesn\'t make EVF lag, I can definitely feel the EVF itself lag, so I need change my shooting habit, lower my expectation and more prediction to accommodate lag, which seems OK! as mentioned before, we should be adaptive enough to work with tool.

Peaking is not reliable, as the peaking DOF is too thick for high contrast case, but I found for fast glass, you can adaptive with it as well, based on aperture and distance(meaning DOF), you know how much turning focus ring you need after you start seeing peaking happen. (I have been using this way with Nikon\'s focus green dot for a while) General speaking, I can get reliable shot by this, but looking for peaking or alias(flickering) seems delay my process that I miss moment. This is the portion I miss my D700 with S-type screen, as I can continuous focusing as well as take the shot, I might miss one or two but catch rest.

55FE\'s fault to me is Bokeh or out of focus rendering, but on the other hand, it is very reliable and predictable, you have freedom to put you subject anywhere at any aperture under any light. It is very light, it focus extreme accurate. So I\'d rate this lens very high as a good tool to let you focus on content.

wfrank wrote:
Phillip Reeve wrote:
Out with manual lenses again.
If I am honest, it is much more enjoyable for me to shot these lenses, than the SEL2470Z.



I see what you mean. I have problems with AF & MF in my case the FE55. Out of curiosity, how do you go about with AF? Do you find it optimal/fine working with infiinity, or manually fine tune before shutter. And what about short DOF images, any preferred method? I hear some use a center point and then recompose but I am no big fan of that and find fine tuning/moving the magnification cumbersome.

Very nice blues in the images BTW.


As mentioned above, I almost never do MF with this lens as I feel it is a pain. For AF with moving subject, I use AFC, put focus box in center most of time. But I use a lot with LCD composing (to be explained later) and isolate shutter from focusing (very important):

1. For center subject, in AF-C just use AEL as focus hold and hold it, then click the shutter to get the moment. (the one of reason you want isolate the shutter with focus is you don\'t want camera re-active focusing or tying to focusing every time you hit the shutter, especially subject moving, the camera can get very confused trying to find focusing with moving subject and slow down/ hunting a lot), use focus hold to secure subject and keep your frame and focus with subject and let camera continues with focusing the distance change. This method also apply with subject in 1/3 of frame if you preset focus box at 1/3 of frame.

2. For subject close by, I use LCD focusing a lot more than EVF, as I just hit AE focus once, recompose, and slightly forward arm or backward arm to compensate focus recompose error depend on your recompose angle AT THE SAME TIME keep the frame as I wanted. I can use this with EVF also, but not as free as this way. Now, you can see that by isolate shutter from focusing, you don\'t need hold shutter, or worry accidentally not holding shutter during process, which will speed up you a lot.

3. Some time, for subject moving with LCD focusing, I can hit AE hold focus once and let arm moving do the tracking with the same speed as subject and hit shutter. this works very good as well, I might not get 100% focus shot, but with this kind of first order compensation, I get the moment for sure.

So much write. Hope this hopeful for people with A7 and AF lens for moving subject. I have used these method for my two kids and they work very well, I have tons of sample to prove these but I don\'t want bored people.

Many of these tricks are actually from Manual focus experience.
Long post! sorry.



Feb 18, 2014 at 01:01 PM
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Re: Sony A7(r) Images Thread


Here are some my tip for AF lens with A7, hope it help with people.

Jochenb wrote:

A general question to all: how well does the focus peaking work? Is it reliable? Does it make the EVF lag? I ask because when I still used Zeiss lenses on Canon I often prefered using a precision focusing screen over zooming in in liveview for each shot.


With FE55, I almost never use manual focus, unless it is at MFD, at that case I found AF focus can focus at any plane in that box. In this case, I use magnification. So focus peaking is irreverent for AF lens. For infinity focus, I found AF is even better than my MF , the result match my CAREFULLY manual focus with Magnification: extreme reliable. and I found I can afford the big center box and recompose error if subject distance is more than say 3M even WO.

Peaking itself doesn\'t make EVF lag, I can definitely feel the EVF itself lag, so I need change my shooting habit, lower my expectation and more prediction to accommodate lag, which seems OK! as mentioned before, we should be adaptive enough to work with tool.

Peaking is not reliable, as the peaking DOF is too thick for high contrast case, but I found for fast glass, you can adaptive with it as well, based on aperture and distance(meaning DOF), you know how much turning focus ring you need after you start seeing peaking happen. (I have been using this way with Nikon\'s focus green dot for a while) General speaking, I can get reliable shot by this, but looking for peaking or alias(flickering) seems delay my process that I miss moment. This is the portion I miss my D700 with S-type screen, as I can continuous focusing as well as take the shot, I might miss one or two but catch rest.

55FE\'s fault to me is Bokeh or out of focus rendering, but on the other hand, it is very reliable and predictable, you have freedom to put you subject anywhere at any aperture under any light. It is very light, it focus extreme accurate. So I\'d rate this lens very high as a good tool to let you focus on content.

wfrank wrote:
Phillip Reeve wrote:
Out with manual lenses again.
If I am honest, it is much more enjoyable for me to shot these lenses, than the SEL2470Z.



I see what you mean. I have problems with AF & MF in my case the FE55. Out of curiosity, how do you go about with AF? Do you find it optimal/fine working with infiinity, or manually fine tune before shutter. And what about short DOF images, any preferred method? I hear some use a center point and then recompose but I am no big fan of that and find fine tuning/moving the magnification cumbersome.

Very nice blues in the images BTW.


As mentioned above, I almost never do MF with this lens as I feel it is a pain. For AF with moving subject, I use AFC, put focus box in center most of time. But I use a lot with LCD composing (to be explained later) and isolate shutter from focusing (very important):

1. For center subject, in AF-C just use AEL as focus hold and hold it, then click the shutter to get the moment. (the one of reason you want isolate the shutter with focus is you don\'t want camera re-active focusing or tying to focusing every time you hit the shutter, especially subject moving, the camera can get very confused trying to find focusing with moving subject and slow down/ hunting a lot), use focus hold to secure subject and keep your frame and focus with subject and let camera continues with focusing the distance change. This method also apply with subject in 1/3 of frame if you preset focus box at 1/3 of frame.

2. For subject close by, I use LCD focusing a lot more than EVF, as I just hit AE focus once, recompose, and slightly forward arm or backward arm to compensate focus recompose error depend on your recompose angle AT THE SAME TIME keep the frame as I wanted. I can use this with EVF also, but not as free as this way. Now, you can see that by isolate shutter from focusing, you don\'t need hold shutter, or worry accidentally not holding shutter during process, which will speed up you a lot.

3. Some time, for subject moving with LCD focusing, I can hit AE hold focus once and let arm moving do the tracking with the same speed as subject and hit shutter. this works very good as well, I might not get 100% focus shot, but with this kind of first order compensation, I get the moment for sure.

So much write. Hope this hopeful for people with A7 and AF lens for moving subject. I have used these method for my two kids and they work very well, I have tons of sample to prove these but I don\'t want bored people.

Many of these tricks are actually from Manual focus experience.
Long post! sorry.



Feb 18, 2014 at 12:57 PM





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