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Archive 2011 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)

  
 
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p.6 #1 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Not to interrupt the discussion of quality control, but is anyone besides alundeb struck by the strong control of chromatic aberration right out to the corners in diglloyd's samples? Seems quite remarkable. Any owners of the Contax/Rollei versions able to say if these versions have this characteristic? The samples look good so far. I'm looking to finally complement my zf 35/2 with the 35/1.4.


Mar 14, 2011 at 09:34 PM
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p.6 #2 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Lloyd has a few new pics up on his blog.


Mar 15, 2011 at 03:34 PM
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p.6 #3 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


jffielde wrote:
Lloyd has a few new pics up on his blog.


Great, thanks!

Now there is even a new page with a whole bunch of images in the subscription section. Someone with experience from other Distagon 35/1.4 lens versions can better than me evaluate them, but Lloyd himself is happy.



Mar 15, 2011 at 04:54 PM
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p.6 #4 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


.Very clean nice and reality poping images but difficult to make his mind without any direct comparison.

I especially like this one : http://diglloyd.com/prem/prot/ZF/publish/images/examples/35f1_4Distagon1/_MG_2459.html

But this is at "price" of a lot of sharpening I'm now very curious to see rendering style of identical shots with 35/2, 35L or 35G using for less sharpening.

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Mar 15, 2011 at 05:04 PM
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p.6 #5 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Interesting. The shots are not really up to his usual standards but then again he usually tests them at Yosemite and similar places and not at his back yard. There is one very interesting shot of a gate that shows a rendering very similar to the old 35/1.4.


Mar 15, 2011 at 05:14 PM
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p.6 #6 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


These shots are much better than his earlier in super dark bokeh shots that he did with the prototype lens.
These shots, especially the stopped down ones show me that they have preserved one of the main drawing characteristics which make this lens different than the 35/2 which is that the focus falls of quicker from the focus point throughout the depth of field which adds a sense of distance foreground to background in the image and can be used to highlight foreground elements in a 3-d like manner.
I took some test shots with my CZ 35/1.4 at 1.4 vs. my Nikon 24/1.4G at 1.4 on my 1ds3 and they seem to be pretty equal as far as sharpness and not much SA unlike Lloyd's test shots at 1.4 of the church.
BTW, the 24/1.4G is even a little sharper than the 35/1.4G in the center.
The amount of SA Lloyd is getting with the new one, seems to be a bad copy or not achieving proper infinity focus. Looks like this new 35/1.4 is just like the old one in that proper focus is important as the focus falls of sharply from the point of focus, especially at f1.4. Focusing this lens on very distant objects at 1.4 is pretty difficult/error prone. That is why I wish he also posted comparison shots at closer distances, say 6ft away. Yes, camera angle could be off a little when that close which would screw up the corner results but at least the center image comparisons would be ok.
I disagree with people who mentioned in this thread that the old CZ 35/1.4 SA is bad or at the same level as what Lloyd shows with the new lens. Focusing errors along with improper thickness adapters can cause subpar performance.
Once again the biggest difference between the old and new 35/1.4's and the 35/2 is that the 35/2 has much more even sharpness through the depth of field from the focus point whereas the 1.4's are better at subject isolation and helping with 3-d as you can get still get more isolation even when stopped down allowing the larger depth of field wrap around the subject better.



Mar 15, 2011 at 05:53 PM
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p.6 #7 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Ant runs about looking for somewhere to pee...
This latest news is good to hear, I wont subscribe this time, don't need to, will find it out myself. Am keeping the pennies for the lens this time.

I've got it easy I am Nikon so don't have the option of the older versions, I shoot street and regardless of the demands some have for peeping ...I just want 1.4.
This lens is going to be awesome for street, might even knock my 21 & 100 off the perch.

These zeiss are the ultimate street kit ...even better for my reasoning than anything leica ...groan and pray tell do I have to explain that as well.

I pass a Leica owner in the street, he thinks I looked at his M coz I was impressed and gives me that special 'I've got a Leica' look..., when I was thinking ...plonker.



Mar 15, 2011 at 06:23 PM
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p.6 #8 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


I have always thought each zeiss lens was purposeful in its use, a professional kit for a working photog and the differences between each is explanation. This /1.4 isnt an upgrade for the /2 ...its /1.4 and not for the f11 photog.

They should engrave Ant next to the T*




Mar 15, 2011 at 06:37 PM
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p.6 #9 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


^^


Mar 15, 2011 at 11:06 PM
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p.6 #10 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


wayne seltzer wrote:
T...
The amount of SA Lloyd is getting with the new one, seems to be a bad copy or not achieving proper infinity focus....


I don't read LC talking about he reached the oo stop on infinity. It seems he He dutifully use liveview to adjust. By the way, he was sometime forced to close f/2 for focus to see something . In the focus charts test or even in forest at closest distance, it could not be compelled neither by the focus stop.

Two things : this lens is a dud or this lens is like this.
I think this lens is like this.

Personnaly and for now, I've reported my expectations on the Samyang 35/1,4.



Mar 16, 2011 at 01:53 AM
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OneAnt wrote:
I've got it easy I am Nikon so don't have the option of the older versions, I shoot street and regardless of the demands some have for peeping ...I just want 1.4.
This lens is going to be awesome for street, might even knock my 21 & 100 off the perch.

These zeiss are the ultimate street kit ...even better for my reasoning than anything leica ...groan and pray tell do I have to explain that as well.

I pass a Leica owner in the street, he thinks I looked at his M coz I was impressed and gives me that special 'I've
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LMAO, you think a huge f/1.4 lens on a DSLR is awesome for street photography? Boy do you need to learn some basics of photography!

First of all, larger aperture manual lenses are worthless for street unless stopped down. f/1.4 is worthless for street if you hope to have more than one in twenty of your photos anywhere near focus. Second, even considering that wide angles are far easier to focus on a rangefinder than a DSLR street shooters using Leica M and similar systems use zone focusing at small apertures. Third, large lenses and cameras are a serious disadvantage for street photography. Given the size of the new 35/1.4, it's likely that women and children will flee in horror before it in a 10 km radius. The new 35 is about as unsuitable for street as it gets.

Of course you think 'plonker' when you see a guy with a Leica as you are the equivalent of the owner of a spoon that has not fully understood the concept of 'cutting' and therefor sneers at the owner of a chef's knife!



Mar 16, 2011 at 02:45 AM
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p.6 #12 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Street photo is a soup anyway



Mar 16, 2011 at 04:24 AM
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p.6 #13 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


denoir wrote:
Of course you think 'plonker' when you see a guy with a Leica as you are the equivalent of the owner of a spoon that has not fully understood the concept of 'cutting' and therefor sneers at the owner of a chef's knife!


Quite a funny wit there!!



Mar 16, 2011 at 04:33 AM
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p.6 #14 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


denoir wrote:
LMAO, you think a huge f/1.4 lens on a DSLR is awesome for street photography? Boy do you need to learn some basics of photography!


(we will ignore that little bit ...don't think it suits you).

denoir wrote:
First of all, larger aperture manual lenses are worthless for street unless stopped down. f/1.4 is worthless for street if you hope to have more than one in twenty of your photos anywhere near focus.


My eyes are young, I've missed two pics this year for focus, one that enhanced the image and the other that nothing ever would and it was still catch-worthy..Last year ...Im trying to think, there might be have between 7-12 and none that were regrets I don't care to zone focus ...hate the hip stuff too and don't own a beige polyester shooting vest either.
I already shoot at 1.2 and at night and on my zeiss at f2 so I dont see how you are going to keep this wreck afloat ...Oh and as well as the vest, I don't own a tripod.

denoir wrote:
Second, even considering that wide angles are far easier to focus on a rangefinder than a DSLR street shooters using Leica M and similar systems use zone focusing at small apertures.


I suppose there is always easier, I'm told that electric scooters are easier than walking...and noisier too. (grin)
Why do they use zone focusing ...can't they see? ...poor old fellas, but its OK ...when my eyes go I'm going to be a plonker too. I've even heard that the girls find men with a Leica sexier ...its a fact, well maybe not but lets not tell them shall we, these myths are what keeps some companies afloat afterall. Im also told that a thief is less likely to steal your Leica if its silver coz it looks old ...hehehe, good luck with that one fellas.

denoir wrote:
Of course you think 'plonker' when you see a guy with a Leica as you are the equivalent of the owner of a spoon that has not fully understood the concept of 'cutting' and therefor sneers at the owner of a chef's knife!


hehehe, I have a brother in law (a whole story here) thats big on knives for the kitchen. His claim to fame is a mushroom sauce pizza ...talk to me about spoons.

Actually fountain pens is a better fit than kitchen utensils, I don't own a Mont Blanc either ...was never big on precious resin, funnily all mine are Japanese exotics. Did you know the bird poo logo on the MB cap is so when you pass another in the street you can give that appreciating men's club look.You know the one...like a plonker with a plastic pen that cost you $4k
I've owned Leica Ms and do sometimes miss the 'should I get the black or the silver' on photo.net but with the saving on polishing cloths I'm getting by.

denoir wrote:
Third, large lenses and cameras are a serious disadvantage for street photography. Given the size of the new 35/1.4, it's likely that women and children will flee in horror before it in a 10 km radius.


Serious disadvantage ...bugga, can anything be done ..it sounds terminal. I suppose a loud shirt is out of the question ...
This myth has always been the funniest to me ...a person looking at you while you are taking their picture ...is thinking, Oh ...its a Leica, its OK then. Its like these Fuji X100 kids wanting to buy one because they think its so Leica like and must be an awesome Street shooter. ...wonder when Fuji will release the black version. Because of the Fuji its time to take the tape off the red dots ...the mugger that wants to take it from you thinks it a Fuji ...just show him the dot and he will likely let you go.

denoir wrote:
The new 35 is about as unsuitable for street as it gets.


the zeiss brochure of the pretty lass sitting at the bar ... at least she knows where her A is ...

OBERKOCHEN/Germany, 01.09.2010.
A woman is sitting at the bar of a dimly-lit cafe. Lost in thoughts, she doesn’t notice the glass of wine the bartender places before her. From a distance, a photographer tries to capture her mood. He brings her face, which is leaning toward her phone, into focus. Everything around her becomes a blur, and the lights in the background coalesce into a wild “dance” of diffuse shapes.

.But he stalls, he doesnt have his zone focus set and bugga he left the house without his vest, she spies movement as he unfolds his tripod ...she catches sight of his big Black ...

..a shriek fills the air, women children and European men run screaming from the bar ...and continue running for another

denoir wrote:
10 km radius.



Mar 16, 2011 at 04:37 AM
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OneAnt wrote:
I've owned Leica Ms and do sometimes miss the 'should I get the black or the silver' on photo.net but with the saving on polishing cloths I'm getting by.


So you used to be a plonker and have now gone back to being just a wanker?

Seriously, I wouldn't know where to start to give a point by point answer to your post. Should I begin to explain the concept of zone focusing that you've clearly misunderstood or should I perhaps begin by pointing out that you'll have a grand old time trying to focus an f/1.4 lens on a moving target with a Nikon focusing screen that shows you f/2.8.. So I won't bother. You should work to overcome that Leica envy though, it's not good for you. Perhaps you should get that Fuji X100 as you planned.



Mar 16, 2011 at 05:36 AM
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p.6 #16 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)



slow and pathetic in a little body pretending to be something else, the hype is more than it is worth, its ugly and I wouldn't give it the time of day ...



Mar 16, 2011 at 05:52 AM
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p.6 #17 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


Regarding LC test, it would be very interesting to get a comment of Zeiss about the results and the reason they've choose to not correct as much as competition SA. Do you have any knowledge about SA handling justification from Zeiss on other large aperture lenses ?


Mar 16, 2011 at 06:16 AM
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p.6 #18 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


OneAnt wrote:
Its like these Fuji X100 kids


Ah yes, those nasty little brats. Don't we all know 'em.



Mar 16, 2011 at 06:38 AM
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trusty wrote:
Regarding LC test, it would be very interesting to get a comment of Zeiss about the results and the reason they've choose to not correct as much as competition SA. Do you have any knowledge about SA handling justification from Zeiss on other large aperture lenses ?


Yeah I really would like to know that too. For the moment I feel like the Nikon is a better choice: more contrast, lighter, and AF.



Mar 16, 2011 at 09:17 AM
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p.6 #20 · Zeiss ZE/ZF.2 35mm f/1.4 (according to Roger Cicala/lens rentals.com)


I've got the same feeling. If I was Nikon, I'll bet on the 35G.

Unfortunately, the sample of L.C is a ZE and not a ZF and I think he' sunable to compare for now the ZE 1.4 to the champion 35G. But the 35L and especially the ZE 35/2 are pending in next days...




Mar 16, 2011 at 10:16 AM
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