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p.88 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?



Unfortunate framing on my part with the tree coming out of my son's head, but I do enjoy depth, dimensionality, etc. Even if it isn't outright pop.

Although often where I see it, others don't.








Nov 14, 2025 at 10:51 PM
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p.88 #2 · which lens has the most 3D POP?



Why not? That's nicely popped.
tsdevine wrote:
Unfortunate framing on my part with the tree coming out of my son's head, but I do enjoy depth, dimensionality, etc. Even if it isn't outright pop.

Although often where I see it, others don't.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54924470648_b4e4767275_h.jpg




Nov 14, 2025 at 11:06 PM
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p.88 #3 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Why not? That's nicely popped.



+1

The visual cues are there.

I find this one to be particularly reminiscent of the old "What is 3D?" thread from 2009 era. Why ... Paul Yi was a pragmatic presenter of bench shots that show the dimensionality with his 100 C/Y (iirc).


tsdevine wrote:
Although often where I see it, others don't.


There's always going to be that. Kinda like how musicians can hear pitch variance with greatly refined ear, where other folks don't pick up the difference. In some regard, the individuals sensory perception refinement is in play. Nothing you can do about that ... i.e. don't be dismayed if not everyone perceives the depth cues as readily as you.

Taste, hearing, vision (acuity, color, depth, etc.) ... smell and touch are in there too. All manor of sensory perception is variable among different folks. That's not in your control. Since you can see it, then you know when it's there (or not). Nothing you can do about the others.



Nov 14, 2025 at 11:49 PM
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p.88 #4 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Im used to 24mm but Im open to other lenses as well.
Other lenses from that era are the Batis 25mm and 85mm that I own. I like them a lot but they are a little different.Also th Loxia 35mm and 50mm that I will have to try some day .
I think I will be better with AF for what I do , but it will be really interesting to see a comparsion of the 55mm and the 50mm simera with the same subject .

philip_pj wrote:
Not many, I suspect. Firstly, they are all going to show their signatures, something each has as its distinct way of seeing the compositions. And that makes it hard to compare, straight away. How much prototype testing do these lens makers do for actual use? We have no idea. They certainly miss things in design, Dr Nasse was employed by Zeiss to 'find problems'. Then, none of us have enough experience with the contenders, with a lot of dead ends possible, almost inevitable.

I start by looking at what the maker was producing at the time, and the general configuration
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Nov 15, 2025 at 07:33 AM
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p.88 #5 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


RustyBug wrote:
+1

The visual cues are there.

I find this one to be particularly reminiscent of the old "What is 3D?" thread from 2009 era. Why ... Paul Yi was a pragmatic presenter of bench shots that show the dimensionality with his 100 C/Y (iirc).


There's always going to be that. Kinda like how musicians can hear pitch variance with greatly refined ear, where other folks don't pick up the difference. In some regard, the individuals sensory perception refinement is in play. Nothing you can do about that ... i.e. don't be dismayed if not everyone perceives the depth cues as readily as
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I think I remember those bench shots! In fact, I occasionally take bench shots, and I think they are inspired by Paul.



Nov 15, 2025 at 09:49 AM
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Well I guess we could all stop playing around and start using Leiz Cine lenses on SL3 bodies for stills.

Kevin and some of his friends who really know a out such things have good discussions and actual shooting with image samples on just this subject. Take a look at this one and then look at his channel for others.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZ6VkkJ6hA



Nov 15, 2025 at 09:56 AM
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tsdevine wrote:
Unfortunate framing on my part with the tree coming out of my son's head, but I do enjoy depth, dimensionality, etc. Even if it isn't outright pop.

Although often where I see it, others don't.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54924470648_b4e4767275_h.jpg


Hahaha, thanks for the photo, you definitely brightened my Saturday. Back in the 1950s (and probably even earlier and later), novice photographers were warned emphatically about such "trees growing out of the head" photos in practically every publication from photography publishers, no matter how small. Since cameras back then often only had a tiny brilliant viewfinder, I could still understand how something like that happened. But today? With our excellent viewfinders, it's a mystery to me. Especially considering how much emphasis is placed on bokeh. But anyway. I love the picture precisely because of that. It really amused me, and that's worth a lot.😃



Nov 15, 2025 at 10:19 AM
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Nifty Fifty wrote:
Hahaha, thanks for the photo, you definitely brightened my Saturday. Back in the 1950s (and probably even earlier and later), novice photographers were warned emphatically about such "trees growing out of the head" photos in practically every publication from photography publishers, no matter how small. Since cameras back then often only had a tiny brilliant viewfinder, I could still understand how something like that happened. But today? With our excellent viewfinders, it's a mystery to me. Especially considering how much emphasis is placed on bokeh. But anyway. I love the picture precisely because of that. It really amused me,
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Had a lot on my mind at the time and it was more of a snapshot than a really planned photo. You can tell I don’t photograph people much I guess.



Nov 15, 2025 at 10:23 AM
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Oh, I don't think mishaps are so bad, especially if you can laugh at yourself (since no one was hurt). On the contrary, laughting is good for your health, and it helps you remember to watch out for such pitfalls in the future.😊


Nov 15, 2025 at 10:35 AM
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philip_pj wrote:
One from the 55mm, showing clarity at the focal plane, gentle focus fade, and 'structural retention' of softly formed image motifs in the background.


One from the 50mm Voigtländer, showing clarity at the focal plane, gentle focus fade, and 'structural retention' of softly formed image motifs in the background.
DSC02332 (2) by Werner Wurst, on Flickr

Same here. And surely millions more examples with countless lenses could be found.
DSC02421 (1) by Werner Wurst, on Flickr

"Structural preservation of soft-focus background image motifs" even at a distance of many kilometers.
DSC02445 (1) (2) by Werner Wurst, on Flickr



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philip_pj wrote:
A much more beautiful one, full of life and tonal variation, one that conforms with natural human vision. That it is not desirable among many lens design teams is a travesty. What on Earth are they thinking, introducing and accentuating a visual artefact into the process?

One that removes useful context with a fog of blur, to then erroneously call the result 3D? This too shall pass, given time. Vision is a learned process, you never stop seeing.


Perhaps many people, without a sample image, can't see much sense in this wonderful description of what non-Chinese lens calculators can cobble together. Don't worry! I'm here to help! Look at this background completely lost in a blur! Everything beyond the plane of focus is just a muddy mess, devoid of any texture! For the rest of my life, I'll looking at pictures like this and lament, "Oh, if only I had taken this with a Thypoch lens!" But instead of lamenting, I'll take action! I'll snap one up at the next sale. Maybe. 😇

DSC01848 by Werner Wurst, on Flickr



Nov 15, 2025 at 11:46 AM
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p.88 #12 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


If I'm allowed to voice my opinion, observe the tonality presented in the sample posted by tsdevine - the black bits e.g. shadows between leaves on tree and oj the ground, skin tone shades. These are something very difficult to notice, and understand, and I call those...micro contrast, for genuinely lack of better words.


Nov 15, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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p.88 #13 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


tsdevine wrote:
Unfortunate framing on my part with the tree coming out of my son's head…


That reminded me of a photo that someone (who shall remain nameless) made of me wearing a very special Paris hat a few years ago…








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Nov 15, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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And another example. Abrupt drop in focus without any transition, and nothing but a soft haze beyond the focal plane. Does anyone need a 35mm Nokton? I'd be happy if someone would take this dreadful lens off my hands.
DSC07007 by Werner Wurst, on Flickr



Nov 15, 2025 at 11:56 AM
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p.88 #15 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


another rendering (as much as this can be done on a jpeg)







Nov 15, 2025 at 02:33 PM
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ruthenium wrote:
another rendering (as much as this can be done on a jpeg)

Um, did I miss something? Is this the "Make my picture worse" thread? 🤔



Nov 15, 2025 at 03:05 PM
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p.88 #17 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Nifty Fifty wrote:
Um, did I miss something? Is this the "Make my picture worse" thread? 🤔


No this seems to be about "poorly composed photos taken in drab light, exported to jpeg after minimal processing"



Nov 15, 2025 at 03:12 PM
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ruthenium wrote:
No this seems to be about "poorly composed photos taken in drab light, exported to jpeg after minimal processing"

The point here was to show that a certain forum member is writing bullshit when he constantly claims that lenses other than Thypoch only produce a sharp main subject and completely soft backgrounds without any informational content when used wide open.

And photos taken under overcast skies should look exactly like that. If I wanted garish, Samsung smartphone-style colors, I'd either use a Samsung smartphone or torture the sliders in Lightroom like you did(or alternatively press the autocorrect button). Besides, it's common courtesy to ask before messing around with other people's pictures, regardless of what you personally think of them. Perhaps you should take that to heart.
Furthermore, I find this frame embarrassing. You're welcome to do that with your pictures, but please not with mine. Thank you.



Nov 15, 2025 at 03:27 PM
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It's very poor form to edit other folks' images without their consent or having them request it. I'd strongly discourage that behavior moving forward.


Nov 15, 2025 at 03:32 PM
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tsdevine wrote:
Unfortunate framing on my part with the tree coming out of my son's head, but I do enjoy depth, dimensionality, etc. Even if it isn't outright pop.

Although often where I see it, others don't.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54924470648_b4e4767275_h.jpg


Tim, I actually like this picture of your son. When the attention is on the subject then everything else is in the peripheral vision and is out-of-focus. Technically speaking, the tree can be easyly and painlessly removed from the photo - if you don't like it - but I wouldn't worry about this if I were you.



Nov 15, 2025 at 03:36 PM
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