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which lens has the most 3D POP?

  
 
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p.76 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


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The “ingredients” of a fine photograph are subject, composition, light, color — the things in the photograph.


And, the light passes THROUGH the LENS. You can't speak to the light (in photographic medium context) without acknowledging the light path, en route to the film plane, IS affected by the lens. That's like saying the jets on a carburetor don't matter, the car is all about gasoline and tires.



Granted, the tenets of optical design are technical in nature to most, but ... even looking at the matter of bokeh, swirly / creamy / nervous ... it is evident that the lens influences the projected image onto the film plane. Some folks don't give two hoots ... others notice the differences. The rates of transition among zones, bokeh quality, etc. are also noticed by some folks ... not the least of which includes world class optical engineers throughout history.

Going back in history the diff's between designs may have stood out a bit more differentiated than they do today in some (mainstream-ish) regard. If you take a look at many designs, you'll notice that they have begun taking on hybrid designs, which narrows the differential. That doesn't mean that there are no differentiated influence from the optics, but different designers still remain to choose how much influence they desire. Some play the middle of the road, others push toward the fringes. Diff folks will dig on different things. Some will remain to dissent.




Sep 20, 2025 at 02:12 PM
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p.76 #2 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Everybody seems to have their definition of what's 3D pop. And this is my kind of 3D pop, this lens never cease to amaze me.




Sep 20, 2025 at 09:41 PM
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p.76 #3 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Everybody seems to have their definition of what's 3D pop. And this is my kind of 3D pop, this lens never cease to amaze me.



That orange vespa shure does POP! please do mention the lens used.

As photography is a highly subjective art - discussing so much on objective perspectives does defeat the personal approach and preferences in regards to IQ that are very unique to each person and each lens.

Best to focus this thread on image examples so that each person can make up his own mind - from assessing pictures
Much easier than to read pages of opinions/perspective

again, tough to argue rationally regarding this very subjective matter

Gotta soak in the picture rendering and if it jumps out at you as special - then thats whats right for YOU.






Sep 21, 2025 at 12:44 AM
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p.76 #4 · which lens has the most 3D POP?



People seems to dislike the brand for some reason so don't feel like mentioning it 😂 you can find out what it is 2 pages back where I posted another sample.
Happydan wrote:
That orange vespa shure does POP! please do mention the lens used.

As photography is a highly subjective art - discussing so much on objective perspectives does defeat the personal approach and preferences in regards to IQ that are very unique to each person and each lens.

Best to focus this thread on image examples so that each person can make up his own mind - from assessing pictures
Much easier than to read pages of opinions/perspective

again, tough to argue rationally regarding this very subjective matter

Gotta soak in the picture rendering and if it jumps out at you as special
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Sep 21, 2025 at 01:34 AM
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p.76 #5 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




jeffersoncasey wrote:
People seems to dislike the brand for some reason so don't feel like mentioning it 😂 you can find out what it is 2 pages back where I posted another sample.



It’s not “people” that dislike Thypoch lenses, it’s ONE person. And to be fair, that person doesn’t necessarily dislike the brand, he just feels it’s overhyped (which is totally fine since it’s just an opinion).

I own many fine lenses, too many in fact. But my Thypoch 28/1.4 is one of the best lenses I’ve ever owned. I’ll sing that song to the rooftops! If that’s “hyping” a lens then so be it. You can look at the image thread for that lens and make up your own mind. Is it 3D? I don’t know and don’t care. Used correctly it delivers beautiful images.



Sep 21, 2025 at 01:48 AM
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p.76 #6 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


I have to agree, that lens is probably the best in their line up, always have that extra something in the rendering. It's the one and only lens I shoot now and always inspire me to make more images.

mudlake wrote:
It’s not “people” that dislike Thypoch lenses, it’s ONE person. And to be fair, that person doesn’t necessarily dislike the brand, he just feels it’s overhyped (which is totally fine since it’s just an opinion).

I own many fine lenses, too many in fact. But my Thypoch 28/1.4 is one of the best lenses I’ve ever owned. I’ll sing that song to the rooftops! If that’s “hyping” a lens then so be it. You can look at the image thread for that lens and make up your own mind. Is it 3D? I don’t know and don’t care. Used correctly it
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Sep 21, 2025 at 01:57 AM
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p.76 #7 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


mudlake wrote:
It’s not “people” that dislike Thypoch lenses, it’s ONE person. And to be fair, that person doesn’t necessarily dislike the brand, he just feels it’s overhyped (which is totally fine since it’s just an opinion).

To be precise, this ONE person is neither bothered by Thypoch lenses (this ONE person had even considered buying a 50mm Simera with a Techart Pro) nor by Thypoch marketing (marketing is exactly what it is, marketing, any halfway sensible person should be aware of that). What bothers this ONE person is the never-ending loop of suggestion from ONE other person here in the forum, who attests to the lenses' almost magical powers and compared to whom the Thypoch marketing seems almost harmless. But I am aware that any objection to this kind of brainwashing is ultimately pointless. I have already linked to a few 1:1 comparisons, but I don't think anyone wants to see that. Who likes it when someone comes into the room and turns on the light while you're happily daydreaming in the dark.

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Sep 21, 2025 at 02:25 AM
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p.76 #8 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




Happydan wrote:
Best to focus this thread on image examples so that each person can make up his own mind - from assessing pictures
Much easier than to read pages of opinions/perspective

again, tough to argue rationally regarding this very subjective matter

Gotta soak in the picture rendering and if it jumps out at you as special - then thats whats right for YOU.




I would definitely agree with that.




Sep 21, 2025 at 02:30 AM
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p.76 #9 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Me thinking "hmm, haven't seen this thread before, it might be interesting, let me check it out.."







Seriously, some people should probably have a cup of tea, and then go outside and do some deep breathing or something 😀



Sep 21, 2025 at 04:23 AM
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p.76 #10 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


lol funny
Thats me in most threads. The same bozos pop in to argue. Touch grass angry boys.

Tina Kino wrote:
Me thinking "hmm, haven't seen this thread before, it might be interesting, let me check it out.."

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkqm0enAZt1qh59n0o1_500.gif

Seriously, some people should probably have a cup of tea, and then go outside and do some deep breathing or something 😀




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p.76 #11 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


A whole bunch of years have passed since I first posted to this topic. But my answers are still pretty much the same.

My C/Y Zeiss 100/2.0 is still producing those images that pop!


It's little brother, the 85/2.8 isn't too shabby at it either.


And of course the Pentax SMC Takumar 50/1.4 has it's own special way of really making things pop.


In fact, I've recently added a Leica SL to my gear. So while these are normally shot on Canon DSLR's I really want to see what they can do on the SL.



Sep 21, 2025 at 09:42 AM
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p.76 #12 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jamesdak wrote:
A whole bunch of years have passed since I first posted to this topic. But my answers are still pretty much the same.

My C/Y Zeiss 100/2.0 is still producing those images that pop!


This is one of the lenses that "floated to the top" as being a very reliable producer ... back in the epic thread around 15 years ago. It (and others) were part of my studies of the optical designs from those lenses that were "producers" vs. those that weren't. I wish I would have had the foresight back then to save / build an archive of my studies, but again this lens was a strong piece of studying its optical engineering.

Yeah, it's a classic in that regard (imo) ...

I recall seeing some nice work out of the Sonnar, too. I never owned either, but I did find them well suited to my eye, from what I saw what others were doing with them.



Sep 21, 2025 at 10:25 AM
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p.76 #13 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


So, out of curiosity I decided to ask my AI Overlord the answer to the query "What lens formulas produce the most 3D pop". What I found interesting was that it was almost exactly what we discussed back in the old 4x5 film darkroom days. So, here's you all go

AI Overview (Apple Safari - iPhone)

In photography, "3D pop" is a subjective term for the aesthetic impression that a subject in a two-dimensional image appears to stand out from the background. There is no single formula to create it; instead, it is a complex effect that results from the interplay of a lens's optical design, compositional techniques, and lighting.

Lens characteristics
While not formulaic, certain optical designs and characteristics are known to enhance the perception of 3D pop.

High micro-contrast: A key factor in creating 3D pop is a lens's ability to render fine, subtle variations in tone and texture. High micro-contrast results in sharper edges and more defined textures, which gives a subject more apparent volume and depth. Lenses from manufacturers like Zeiss and Leica are famous for this quality, with Zeiss explicitly designing some lenses for "pop".

Gradual focus fall-off: Unlike modern, "clinically perfect" lenses that can produce a very sharp-to-blurry transition, older lenses or certain fast primes have a smoother, more gradual transition from the plane of focus to the out-of-focus areas (bokeh). This subtle transition helps create a natural sense of depth, as the brain perceives a continuous progression toward the background.

Minimalist optical design: Many vintage lenses known for their 3D effects, like the classic Nikon 50mm f/1.4D, have fewer glass elements compared to modern, highly corrected lenses. While this can result in optical "flaws" like uncorrected aberrations or vignetting, these characteristics can sometimes enhance the perception of depth. A more complex optical design can eliminate micro-contrast and result in a flatter image.

Uncorrected aberrations: Subtle optical aberrations, particularly longitudinal chromatic aberration (colored fringing) or field curvature, can contribute to the 3D effect. These "imperfections" can emphasize the separation of depth planes, although modern photographers often correct for them.

Photographic techniques
The "3D pop" is not purely a feature of the lens but also relies heavily on the scene and the photographer's skill.

Subject isolation: A shallow depth of field, achieved with a wide aperture (e.g., f/1.4 or f/2.8), isolates a subject from the foreground and background, drawing the viewer's eye and creating visual separation.

Background distance: Increasing the physical distance between your subject and the background makes the background more out-of-focus and further enhances the separation.

Lighting and shadow: Directional light creates strong shadows that emphasize the volume and form of a subject. Backlighting, or rim lighting, can create a glowing halo around the subject, which effectively separates it from a darker background.

Layering and perspective: Placing objects in the foreground, middle ground, and background creates a natural sense of depth. This can be enhanced by using converging lines or other linear perspective cues that lead the eye into the image.

Contrast and color: Using compositional contrast, such as placing a brightly lit subject against a darker background, draws attention to the subject and makes it stand out. Certain colors, like reds and yellows, are also perceived as "springing forward," which can increase the 3D effect.



Sep 21, 2025 at 11:04 AM
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p.76 #14 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


With that, I think I'm gonna pop a lens on the camera and pop on downtown for a soda pop and a walk about.


Sep 21, 2025 at 11:07 AM
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p.76 #15 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Kevner wrote:
So, out of curiosity I decided to ask my AI Overlord the answer to the query "What lens formulas produce the most 3D pop". What I found interesting was that it was almost exactly what we discussed back in the old 4x5 film darkroom days. So, here's you all go

AI Overview (Apple Safari - iPhone)

In photography, "3D pop" is a subjective term for the aesthetic impression that a subject in a two-dimensional image appears to stand out from the background. There is no single formula to create it; instead, it is a complex effect that results from the interplay of
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We can all do that-

Let’s keep these threads to real opinions not AI garbage-



Sep 21, 2025 at 11:43 AM
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p.76 #16 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


RustyRus,

I’m as skeptical of Al as the next. That said, what my query produced was almost exactly what was understood to be the contributing factors to 3D “pop” in the large format community 25 years ago. Especially the contribution that composition, lighting, and development have in achieving that effect. In LF, there was a great deal of focus on micro contrast and what developing techniques would enhance it. I posted the AI response because of how succinctly and dispassionately it summarized where 3D pop comes from and the role a lens and a photographer have in achieving it.

Regards -Kk



Sep 21, 2025 at 12:05 PM
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p.76 #17 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Soviet pop

MIR 24N 35mm f/2





Sep 21, 2025 at 01:02 PM
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p.76 #18 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


The irony of AI being trained on what POP is by publicly available posts by photographers who cannot adequately define, express, or demonstrate what it is.

Welcome to our new hell!



Sep 21, 2025 at 01:04 PM
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p.76 #19 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Nifty Fifty wrote:
To be precise, this ONE person is neither bothered by Thypoch lenses (this ONE person had even considered buying a 50mm Simera with a Techart Pro) nor by Thypoch marketing (marketing is exactly what it is, marketing, any halfway sensible person should be aware of that). What bothers this ONE person is the never-ending loop of suggestion from ONE other person here in the forum, who attests to the lenses' almost magical powers and compared to whom the Thypoch marketing seems almost harmless. But I am aware that any objection to this kind of brainwashing is ultimately pointless. I
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Hmm. We’re on a gear forum and you feel the need to belittle someone who is enthusiastic about a piece of gear he likes. I see from your posts you like to be blunt. So let me be blunt: leave this thread and don’t come back. You obviously don’t like it, and yet you keep coming back to criticize. I know I’d be happier not seeing your “brainwashing” remarks and such. Who knew discussing lenses could be so polarizing! 🙂



Sep 21, 2025 at 01:07 PM
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p.76 #20 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Which ironically includes this site which the bot mined to formulate its response.😏

RoamingScott wrote:
The irony of AI being trained on what POP is by publicly available posts by photographers who cannot adequately define, express, or demonstrate what it is.

Welcome to our new hell!




Sep 21, 2025 at 01:24 PM
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