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p.40 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?




C/Y 18/f4, believe it or not!



Nov 25, 2020 at 03:30 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/7mOdwbp.jpg

C/Y 18/f4, believe it or not!



Brilliant example of Dimensional image from a Distagon. May I ask what aperture it was shot at and the camera used? Any cropping? Does the c/y 18/f4 produce distortion free images - any correction applied to this image? How sharp is it corner-to-corner at small apertures f8-f11?
Thanks for sharing,
-Michael.



Dec 01, 2020 at 02:58 PM
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p.40 #3 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


thousandhills wrote:
Brilliant example of Dimensional image from a Distagon. May I ask what aperture it was shot at and the camera used? Any cropping? Does the c/y 18/f4 produce distortion free images - any correction applied to this image? How sharp is it corner-to-corner at small apertures f8-f11?


In order: I don't know the aperture used, but most likely it was f8, as I take at least 90% of my photos at that aperture. It was taken using one of my "FrankenKameras" (i.e., cameras I've modified to provide movements) and captured with a first generation A7R, which IMO, is the best of the four A7R bodies for the type of long-exposure-at-base ISO photography I do.

I very rarely crop my photos beyond a small number of pixels to clean up scraggly stuff at the edges, so this one probably hasn't been cropped to any significant degree.

My copy of this lens is not completely distortion free, but it doesn't distort very much, either, and no correction was applied to the photos above or below.

As noted above, I use mine as a shift lens with a camera having a full-frame sensor, but due to the small size of the image circle it projects, only a very small amount of movement (2-3mm) is possible. The lens does vignette hard, which is potentially problematic, but in most cases, the image quality holds up fairly well across the frame. Mind you, most of my photography is done at night, so the edges of the frames usually contain only black sky or dark shadows and these can hide a lot of ugliness that is readily apparent under other circumstances.

For example, with this photo, the red line shows where the hard vignette starts and everything beyond it is pure black, but given the circumstances, you would never know this:



FYI, here's another photo from the same outing that was also taken using my C/Y 18/f4 and, to my eyes, also displays a sense of dimensionality as well:



As another data point, I have on hand at the moment a friend's Zeiss Milvus 18/f2.8 and truth be told, I prefer the overall performance of my older, smaller, lighter, less expensive C/Y 18/f4 for its smoother, more rounded, less sterile / clinical rendering style. Judged by modern standards, the Milvus tromps all over the C/Y, but for my taste, I'll take the "inferior" C/Y lens, thank you! 8^)




Dec 01, 2020 at 05:48 PM
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p.40 #4 · which lens has the most 3D POP?



In order: I don't know the aperture used, but most likely it was f8, as I take at least 90% of my photos at that aperture. It was taken using one of my "FrankenKameras" (i.e., cameras I've modified to provide movements) and captured with a first generation A7R, which IMO, is the best of the four A7R bodies for the type of long-exposure-at-base ISO photography I do.

I very rarely crop my photos beyond a small number of pixels to clean up scraggly stuff at the edges, so this one probably hasn't been cropped to any significant degree.

My copy of this lens
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Thanks a whole lot! I appreciate the detailed information provided, and 2 more captures showing incredible amount of details and dimensionality. I have collected pretty much all the c/y and classic distagons in the 25-35mm range, Looking at these samples, make me want the cy 18/4.
Cheers,
-Michael.



Dec 02, 2020 at 06:13 PM
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p.40 #5 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


thousandhills wrote:
FYI, I prefer the C/Y 18/f4 to the 18/f3.5 Zeiss Classic, as well.

And here are two more photos taken with mine, which I am posting because they were taken from a greater distance, which often eliminates the 3D effect but not so much here, as some of it remains:

https://i.imgur.com/r6dvSd8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gZv0zV4.jpg



Dec 02, 2020 at 11:06 PM
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p.40 #6 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Leica 24mm 2.8 Elmarit. THis is at f/11. This lens does have a 3D efect in many situations. Even stopped down.




Dec 05, 2020 at 01:01 PM
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p.40 #7 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


3D from the 24-70 GM:

#28 - Mrs. Pugs by David F. Panno, on Flickr



Jan 08, 2021 at 08:14 AM
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p.40 #8 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Rob70 wrote:
The larger the sensor the better the blur potential at larger distances. So yes, MF or even LF will make it easier. A lens with the same characteristics as described above (somewhere) will help more.

Maybe you should check these out to know (definitely no high microcontrast, high quality lenses used). The machine gun image in particular, but also some others are quite stunning in my opinion.


Thank you for posting the link. I would have never seen otherwise, Very interesting.



Jan 09, 2021 at 05:43 AM
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p.40 #9 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


in my opinion the planar 50/1.4 has the most pop
f1.4
DSC08211 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr



Jan 09, 2021 at 04:35 PM
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p.40 #10 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


50 1.4/Planar-Pop
DSC03038 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr



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p.40 #11 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


The Fuji GF 110 f/2 has quite a bit of pop, but I really think this has more to do with composition/distance to subject than anything else. I just so happened to take the photo with the 50S & 110 f/2.

If anyone knows how I can re-size this as a percentage of the screen size, please let me know. I've added BBcode for resizing, but it doesn't seem to work:



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Jan 09, 2021 at 10:54 PM
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p.40 #12 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Couple of 'full DOF' medium format film images.





either Mamiya 6 w/- 50/4 or Mamiya 7II and 65mm







Fuji GA645




Jan 10, 2021 at 01:16 AM
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Are people using very, very small and low resolution screens, or how could you otherwise see "3D" in very small, not very sharp images? Or is it the resampling of my screen that makes them unsharp?

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Schwarzlicht wrote:
in my opinion the planar 50/1.4 has the most pop
f1.4
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/44041689035_292ed70b6d_b.jpgDSC08211 by Stefan Mieth, auf Flickr


For example, I see absolutely zero pop or 3D in the small image posted here, but if I open the full size image from flickr, there's plenty of it. Everything is lost during downsampling though, it seems. :-/



Jan 10, 2021 at 01:41 PM
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p.40 #14 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Depends on your definition. However the new crop of F0.95/1.05 lenses certainly separate the FG and BG from the narrow -lane of focus.


Jan 10, 2021 at 02:25 PM
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p.40 #15 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Makten wrote:
Are people using very, very small and low resolution screens, or how could you otherwise see "3D" in very small, not very sharp images? Or is it the resampling of my screen that makes them unsharp?

Edit:

For example, I see absolutely zero pop or 3D in the small image posted here, but if I open the full size image from flickr, there's plenty of it. Everything is lost during downsampling though, it seems. :-/


Shows decent pop on both of my screens. (13" & 30")



Jan 10, 2021 at 03:14 PM
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Makten wrote:
Are people using very, very small and low resolution screens, or how could you otherwise see "3D" in very small, not very sharp images? Or is it the resampling of my screen that makes them unsharp?

Edit:

For example, I see absolutely zero pop or 3D in the small image posted here, but if I open the full size image from flickr, there's plenty of it. Everything is lost during downsampling though, it seems. :-/


I’m guessing people are clicking through to the hi-res.

Edit: you’re right though. It’s probably near impossible to see any pop if the resolution isn’t there.



Jan 10, 2021 at 03:18 PM
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p.40 #17 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Makten wrote:
Are people using very, very small and low resolution screens, or how could you otherwise see "3D" in very small, not very sharp images? Or is it the resampling of my screen that makes them unsharp?

Edit:

For example, I see absolutely zero pop or 3D in the small image posted here, but if I open the full size image from flickr, there's plenty of it. Everything is lost during downsampling though, it seems. :-/


The downsampled bus image that I see posted here on this thread is one of the top examples of 3D-Pop I've seen. The downsampled statue is very good too.

Interesting that you can see the effect on the flickr image but not on the downsampled forum image. Whatever the reason, maybe monitor related, it might also explain, or related to why some don't seem to perceive "pop" in any images in general.



Jan 11, 2021 at 12:51 PM
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LBJ2 wrote:
The downsampled bus image that I see posted here on this thread is one of the top examples of 3D-Pop I've seen. The downsampled statue is very good too.

Interesting that you can see the effect on the flickr image but not on the downsampled forum image. Whatever the reason, maybe monitor related, it might also explain, or related to why some don't seem to perceive "pop" in any images in general.


I just checked on my job computer, and there's a lot more pop here. This screen is only 1920x1080 so there is no resampling. My screen at home is 27" 5k and the pixels are therefore not shown in their native size (the images would be extremely small then), but resampled so that 1 pixel in the image is 4 pixels on the screen. This seems to lower sharpness a lot, unfortunately.

OTOH, I've never seen as much pop as when I view a full size image (or downsampled, which is the case for anything more than 15 mpix) on a high resolution screen. You can't see the individual pixels at all and this is a better upgrade than a sharper lens if you mainly view images on a screen, not prints.



Jan 12, 2021 at 09:18 AM
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Makten wrote:
I just checked on my job computer, and there's a lot more pop here. This screen is only 1920x1080 so there is no resampling. My screen at home is 27" 5k and the pixels are therefore not shown in their native size (the images would be extremely small then), but resampled so that 1 pixel in the image is 4 pixels on the screen. This seems to lower sharpness a lot, unfortunately.

OTOH, I've never seen as much pop as when I view a full size image (or downsampled, which is the case for anything more than 15 mpix) on a
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It really is a very interesting discussion. My first view was with an iMac 27" 5K too and to my eyes, tremendous pop. I guess all we can say is what some see and/or perceive others may not, even on the same brand/spec monitor. Reminiscent of the blue dress/white dress debate I suppose.



Jan 12, 2021 at 12:13 PM
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Sony 55/1.8 (a7r)







Leica 50/2 E55 (a900)




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