which lens has the most 3D POP?
p.169 #1which lens has the most 3D POP?
philip_pj wrote:
People wonder about why do people want 3D in their images, I mean it's a flat medium, so it's only ever 2D, right! It's of course possible to convey depth in a 2D format, and I trust more are getting this straight as times passes. Here is a slightly biased view of Dhankar Monastery:
#1 was shot on the recently discontinued Kenko Tokina 85mm f2.4, which masqueraded as the 'Loxia 85/2.4' for its entire existence. It's an interesting twist that we only found out who the manufacturer was when its discontinuation was announced. Zeiss stopped making lenses for us a long...Show more →
g'day philip! Yeah I can see the 3Dish look from your images. My question has nothing to do with lenses----is there a lot of trekking involved to visit Tibet? Dang, I wish I was younger :-)
People wonder about why do people want 3D in their images, I mean it's a flat medium, so it's only ever 2D, right! It's of course possible to convey depth in a 2D format, and I trust more are getting this straight as times passes. Here is a slightly biased view of Dhankar Monastery:
#1 was shot on the recently discontinued Kenko Tokina 85mm f2.4, which masqueraded as the 'Loxia 85/2.4' for its entire existence. It's an interesting twist that we only found out who the manufacturer was when its discontinuation was announced. Zeiss stopped making lenses for us a long...Show more →
g'day philip! Yeah I can see the 3Dish look from your images. My question has nothing to do with lenses----is there a lot of trekking involved to visit Tibet? Dang, I wish I was younger :-)
Nov 14, 2026 at 07:50 AM
p.169 #2which lens has the most 3D POP?
Nifty Fifty wrote:
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Quote: "In art, especially painting, aerial perspective or atmospheric perspective refers to the technique of creating an illusion of depth by depicting distant objects as paler, less detailed, and usually bluer than near objects."
Still relevant (again)...
Interaction of Color, Author Josef Albers, Yale University Press, 1963
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/737721
Explained: Archive.org
https://dn710200.ca.archive.org/0/items/interaction-of-color-50th-anniversary-edition/9780300179354.pdf
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Quote: "In art, especially painting, aerial perspective or atmospheric perspective refers to the technique of creating an illusion of depth by depicting distant objects as paler, less detailed, and usually bluer than near objects."
Still relevant (again)...
Interaction of Color, Author Josef Albers, Yale University Press, 1963
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/737721
Explained: Archive.org
https://dn710200.ca.archive.org/0/items/interaction-of-color-50th-anniversary-edition/9780300179354.pdf
Nov 14, 2026 at 07:52 AM
p.169 #3which lens has the most 3D POP?
ruthenium wrote:
This comparison feels like an elaborate joke.
Honestly, it occurred to me weeks ago that that posters whole series of contributions reads as an “elaborate joke.” I’ve wondered if the account is an actual person given the non-interactive and non-responsive nature of the lectures he/it delivers.
I’m not writing this to be insulting. I’m writing it because I regard it as a serious question. It seems like an elaborate and fascinating experiment in how far confirmation bias will take some people.
This comparison feels like an elaborate joke.
Honestly, it occurred to me weeks ago that that posters whole series of contributions reads as an “elaborate joke.” I’ve wondered if the account is an actual person given the non-interactive and non-responsive nature of the lectures he/it delivers.
I’m not writing this to be insulting. I’m writing it because I regard it as a serious question. It seems like an elaborate and fascinating experiment in how far confirmation bias will take some people.
Nov 14, 2026 at 09:14 AM
p.169 #4which lens has the most 3D POP?
Jonas B wrote:
I checked the FAQ without finding anything about image sizes. Where can I find theese guidelines?
Pre website redesign it used to say 800px on the longest side
On the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.
gdanmitchell wrote
Best practice would be to post jpg or png files that correspond to FM size guidelines (Hint: they are not 100MP files) [...]Pre website redesign it used to say 800px on the longest side
On the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.
Nov 14, 2026 at 01:00 PM
p.169 #5which lens has the most 3D POP?
1200 pixels wide. I my need to upgrade my 150 baud modem. 😂
Nov 14, 2026 at 01:10 PM
p.169 #6which lens has the most 3D POP?
Nifty Fifty wrote:
#1 was shot on the recently discontinued Kenko Tokina 85mm f2.4, which masqueraded as the 'Loxia 85/2.4' for its entire existence. It's an interesting twist that we only found out who the manufacturer was when its discontinuation was announced. Zeiss stopped making lenses for us a long time ago. Below will be one of them.
#2 and #3 were taken with the CY Vario-Sonnar 100-300, one of the most remarkable zoom lenses of that or any era, in my opinion. It comprised only 12 elements in just seven groups, telling us a lot of doublets are in the action here - a very traditional method of 3D design. It has the same number of groups as the Tokina 85/2.4 in fact, as that one is a 7/7 design.
So you can see the sort of light I need to shoot in, from #1 and of course it asks plenty of the lens. It failed miserably here as elsewhere, but I found it is a fine portrait lens and a close up garden lens. The mighty VS lens features 3D in sublime fashion, very impressive always. Mike Johnstone used the term micro-color to describe a lens's ability to depict fine nuances in color tonality. You see in @1 what happens when it is missing. That quality is fundamental to what I need, in drab Ladakh and Tibet, elsewhere too. cheers.And once again—for what feels like the thousandth time—preposterous nonsense is being spread: someone photographs the same subject under completely different lighting and atmospheric conditions—which naturally results in a completely different rendering—and then claims that this is due to the lens. I call that an attempt to fool people.
I have the feeling that there is also something that isn't right with image #1 - it is that dull look that I believe I have seen before.
To explain what I mean, here is a comparison of the original with a more vivid version.
I don't claim that this more vivid and contrasty version is as the image should have looked - the objective is only to emphasize how bleak and dull is the original.
philip_pj wrote
People wonder about why do people want 3D in their images, I mean it's a flat medium, so it's only ever 2D, right! It's of course possible to convey depth in a 2D format, and I trust more are getting this straight as times passes. Here is a slightly biased view of Dhankar Monastery:#1 was shot on the recently discontinued Kenko Tokina 85mm f2.4, which masqueraded as the 'Loxia 85/2.4' for its entire existence. It's an interesting twist that we only found out who the manufacturer was when its discontinuation was announced. Zeiss stopped making lenses for us a long time ago. Below will be one of them.
#2 and #3 were taken with the CY Vario-Sonnar 100-300, one of the most remarkable zoom lenses of that or any era, in my opinion. It comprised only 12 elements in just seven groups, telling us a lot of doublets are in the action here - a very traditional method of 3D design. It has the same number of groups as the Tokina 85/2.4 in fact, as that one is a 7/7 design.
So you can see the sort of light I need to shoot in, from #1 and of course it asks plenty of the lens. It failed miserably here as elsewhere, but I found it is a fine portrait lens and a close up garden lens. The mighty VS lens features 3D in sublime fashion, very impressive always. Mike Johnstone used the term micro-color to describe a lens's ability to depict fine nuances in color tonality. You see in @1 what happens when it is missing. That quality is fundamental to what I need, in drab Ladakh and Tibet, elsewhere too. cheers.
I have the feeling that there is also something that isn't right with image #1 - it is that dull look that I believe I have seen before.
To explain what I mean, here is a comparison of the original with a more vivid version.
I don't claim that this more vivid and contrasty version is as the image should have looked - the objective is only to emphasize how bleak and dull is the original.
Nov 14, 2026 at 01:41 PM
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p.169 #7which lens has the most 3D POP?
Makten wrote:
Very flat light, very unexciting subject, no composition to write home about. Still pretty "3D" to me.
Yup I agree this is 3D. I remember the mountain bike post you had many years ago.
Pop is not 3D., but 3D may have pop or none at all.
The long time FMers ( 10-15 yrs ago ) from the past know exactly how to produce this, mostly used are Zeiss classic lenses and Leica.
Very flat light, very unexciting subject, no composition to write home about. Still pretty "3D" to me.
Yup I agree this is 3D. I remember the mountain bike post you had many years ago.
Pop is not 3D., but 3D may have pop or none at all.
The long time FMers ( 10-15 yrs ago ) from the past know exactly how to produce this, mostly used are Zeiss classic lenses and Leica.
Nov 15, 2026 at 10:48 AM
p.169 #8which lens has the most 3D POP?
Jonas B wrote:
I checked the FAQ without finding anything about image sizes. Where can I find theese guidelines?
burningheart wrote:
Pre website redesign it used to say 800px on the longest side
On the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.
Hi, and thank you. That's in line with gdanmitchell's comment a while ago.
So there really aren't any current recommendations then. I presume not many into landscapes are posting images that small?!
In nay case. 1200 is actually fine for me for an overview if 100% crops from interesting areas also are posted.
I checked the FAQ without finding anything about image sizes. Where can I find theese guidelines?
burningheart wrote:
Pre website redesign it used to say 800px on the longest side
On the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.
Hi, and thank you. That's in line with gdanmitchell's comment a while ago.
So there really aren't any current recommendations then. I presume not many into landscapes are posting images that small?!
In nay case. 1200 is actually fine for me for an overview if 100% crops from interesting areas also are posted.
Nov 15, 2026 at 01:15 PM
p.169 #9which lens has the most 3D POP?
Testing with links to Flickr photos.
Pop!
sml_Lone Star by Michael G. Roden, on Flickr
I posted this as a test and thought I could go back and delete it but I don't seem able to. Sorry.
Edited on Nov 15, 2026 at 03:02 PM · View previous versions
Pop!
sml_Lone Star by Michael G. Roden, on FlickrI posted this as a test and thought I could go back and delete it but I don't seem able to. Sorry.
Edited on Nov 15, 2026 at 03:02 PM · View previous versions
Nov 15, 2026 at 02:32 PM
p.169 #10which lens has the most 3D POP?
Jonas B wrote:
On the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.Hi, and thank you. That's in line with gdanmitchell's comment a while ago.
So there really aren't any current recommendations then. I presume not many into landscapes are posting images that small?!
In nay case. 1200 is actually fine for me for an overview if 100% crops from interesting areas also are posted.
1200 on the long side is about what I usually would share here and on social media. I’ll share magnified crops in technical discussions if necessary.
Jonas B wrote
I checked the FAQ without finding anything about image sizes. Where can I find theese guidelines?burningheart wrote
Pre website redesign it used to say 800px on the longest sideOn the new redesign under FAQ Posting Images for Landscape Board Section, though doesn't indicate for any other Boards(threads)
The suggested photo size for posting is 1200px on the longest side.
So there really aren't any current recommendations then. I presume not many into landscapes are posting images that small?!
In nay case. 1200 is actually fine for me for an overview if 100% crops from interesting areas also are posted.
1200 on the long side is about what I usually would share here and on social media. I’ll share magnified crops in technical discussions if necessary.
Nov 15, 2026 at 02:35 PM
p.169 #11which lens has the most 3D POP?
philip_pj wrote:
People wonder…
Yes. We do.
Have you ever considered directly interacting with and engaging the posts of other FM members, as opposed to posting lectures?
Are you even reading what others post in the thread?
People wonder…
Yes. We do.
Have you ever considered directly interacting with and engaging the posts of other FM members, as opposed to posting lectures?
Are you even reading what others post in the thread?
Nov 15, 2026 at 02:39 PM
p.169 #12which lens has the most 3D POP?
There are many reasons to use AI in today's world. One of them is more accurately represent the knowledge gains made in recent decades. Another is to expose myths we learned as truth in our early years in photography, and to adequately describe why the are erroneous. I enjoy this kind of revelation process.
But there are people who still believe in DOF tables and hyperfocal, that all lenses of the same focal length possess the same depth of field. This is despite the fact that designers can manipulate rates of focus fade to a surprising degree, as the cine field is now doing to avoid the cut out look - many cine lenses are APOs.
Another I want to present here is something that many would still scoff at - that different lenses of the same class of focal length shape faces differently, when shot at the same aperture. People photographers are not a homogeneous lot - many want the slut look in young women for obvious reasons, some want the glamor look of days gone by, and still others want a natural representation of their families, or of strangers met in their travels.
There are many factors at play in how any lens renders a face - too many to list, in fact. 3D may or may not be important for some, but it's vital to me because I want to see the inner person as they are, and the portrayal of their face shape is obviously important to that goal. A flat rendering is unwelcome, therefore. Anyway, here is a set of side-by-side images shot with two Sony 50-ish lenses, clearly labeled, for your perusal. Only one suits my needs! (These snips come from a fine effort by Julia Trotti five years back.)
But there are people who still believe in DOF tables and hyperfocal, that all lenses of the same focal length possess the same depth of field. This is despite the fact that designers can manipulate rates of focus fade to a surprising degree, as the cine field is now doing to avoid the cut out look - many cine lenses are APOs.
Another I want to present here is something that many would still scoff at - that different lenses of the same class of focal length shape faces differently, when shot at the same aperture. People photographers are not a homogeneous lot - many want the slut look in young women for obvious reasons, some want the glamor look of days gone by, and still others want a natural representation of their families, or of strangers met in their travels.
There are many factors at play in how any lens renders a face - too many to list, in fact. 3D may or may not be important for some, but it's vital to me because I want to see the inner person as they are, and the portrayal of their face shape is obviously important to that goal. A flat rendering is unwelcome, therefore. Anyway, here is a set of side-by-side images shot with two Sony 50-ish lenses, clearly labeled, for your perusal. Only one suits my needs! (These snips come from a fine effort by Julia Trotti five years back.)
Nov 15, 2026 at 03:07 PM