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p.2 #1 · Nikkor 600mm


B&H had them in for what appears to be a microsecond today. At least, I got notified by nowinstock.net about 45 min before I looked, and it was again out of stock when I did.



Nov 22, 2010 at 04:27 PM
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p.2 #2 · Nikkor 600mm


Call Berger Bros. (800)-542-8811 Speak with Brad... if he can't get something Nikon then chances are it doesn't exist anyway.


Nov 22, 2010 at 04:42 PM
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p.2 #3 · Nikkor 600mm


Looks like I am behind you on the waiting list I didn't get the email.


Nov 22, 2010 at 04:43 PM
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p.2 #4 · Nikkor 600mm


Wow, I missed the 600mm being in stock for BH as well.


Nov 22, 2010 at 05:14 PM
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p.2 #5 · Nikkor 600mm



yea it looks good to me too, but then i dont know much about tele´s



Nov 22, 2010 at 05:16 PM
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p.2 #6 · Nikkor 600mm


tom f wrote:
I have a 400 2.8 that I may be seling to get the 600mm. What make and model is your 600mm?



Tom,

Which 400/2.8 version do you have? I sold my 400/2.8 VR to buy a 500/4 and am considering going back to the 400/2.8.

Scott



Nov 22, 2010 at 06:44 PM
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p.2 #7 · Nikkor 600mm


if you ok with Canadian models there is always one or two kicking around.
Remember I helped someone here few months back to get one for his father I think.

If you interested i can check local stores for you that would ship to US. I am not offering to buy it for you and send it down - but if you want we could discuss it LMAO





Nov 22, 2010 at 08:26 PM
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p.2 #8 · Nikkor 600mm


I agree - I'd check with Berger Bros first!

bitmaker wrote:
Call Berger Bros. (800)-542-8811 Speak with Brad... if he can't get something Nikon then chances are it doesn't exist anyway.




Nov 22, 2010 at 09:30 PM
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p.2 #9 · Nikkor 600mm


The Nikon store had one in stock for two days Nov 10th/11th, it was gone on the 12th. I told a couple folks about it but they were no longer looking. Not sure who got that one, but I sure was amazed it hung around for so long. You might check there every day, but who knows how long before one's there again. Be aware of their return policy, once you "open" the box you can return but with something like 15% restock fee. (I think that was the %). Obviously you can't inspect it without opening the box and at 15% it's easier to just sell it if you don't like it or send it in for warranty repair if that's the reason. Luckily mine is perfect

I'd just get one on order at a pro shop that doesn't require a deposit and won't ding you if you don't want it later. That's how I got one in the spring, someone ordered it 6mos before and when it came in they no longer wanted it. Be sure to ask folks to check their stock, the guys didn't even know it was in the back room and available!

In the meantime, call all the pro shops you can find... and HOPE!



Nov 24, 2010 at 12:26 AM
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p.2 #10 · Nikkor 600mm


Tom, did you order the 600mm I PM you about? Site is still showing them in stock. I was expecting for your post about UPS delivering one by this coming Monday.




Nov 24, 2010 at 02:18 PM
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p.2 #11 · Nikkor 600mm


Although I am a dedicated Nikon user, this thread, others like it on other sites, and the long-running comments by a large number of professional photographers who indicate that, even using NPS, they can't get the support and lenses they need.....simply continues to convince me that Nikon's photo division simply doesn't understand business and economics.

There is simply no reason for these lenses (500, 600, 800) to be "unavailable" to the purchasing public, especially once you consider the prices being charged for them.

Any first-year business student (a category of liberal arts I particularly detest) could spend a few days designing a simple data collection effort which would determine the expected annual sales of such a limited availability item and then set up a production program which would maximize delivery-to-sales points and generate some significant profit for the company.

Doing so seems to just not be in their business model.

Gene



Nov 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM
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p.2 #12 · Nikkor 600mm


These lenses are very rarely in stock anywhere, even at the big shops like B&H or Adorama. Best thing to do is put your name on a waiting list. (The 500mm is rarely in stock as well.) And when they do come into stock, the problem is we have no idea how many any given retailer has gotten. It might only be one unit.

You do realize that a new, current model Nikon 600mm generally sells for about $10,000, right?



Nov 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM
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p.2 #13 · Nikkor 600mm


Genes Home wrote:
Although I am a dedicated Nikon user, this thread, others like it on other sites, and the long-running comments by a large number of professional photographers who indicate that, even using NPS, they can't get the support and lenses they need.....simply continues to convince me that Nikon's photo division simply doesn't understand business and economics.

There is simply no reason for these lenses (500, 600, 800) to be "unavailable" to the purchasing public, especially once you consider the prices being charged for them.

Any first-year business student (a category of liberal arts I particularly detest) could spend a few days designing
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I don't think it's quite that simple. I think Nikon understands economics, but it appears they've made a conscious decision not to make big capital investments in expanding production capacity beyond natural organic growth (see below for sales #s), especially for lenses (although they have diverted some manufacturing from Japan to China for some lenses - the 105 macro is now manufactured in China, but was originally built in Japan). And lenses like the 600mm are a special case because I believe that they are manufactured by hand. Also, I think (but can't prove) that they're diverting product to the markets where the currency is strong against the Yen. The U.S. dollar has declined 30% against the Yen since 2007 so while the U.S. is still their biggest market, it doesn't always pay to sell product here, in spite of price increases.

When Nikon first entered the digital camera market in a big way, with the D70, their strategy was to go for market share. But about two years ago, with declining profits, they announced that they would give up market share in return for better margins. Because of the declining dollar against the Yen, it's actually been a balance: unit sales continually increase (4.2 million bodies in fiscal 2011 projected vs. 3.67 million in 2010 and 14 million lenses projected vs. 11.51 million in 2010), but because of more players in the market, market share has declined and earnings have also declined. Also, traditionally (and partially because Nikon has better compatibility with older lenses), Nikon sells fewer lenses per body than the industry average. So for lenses, while it certainly seems like Nikon can't keep lenses in stock, for fiscal 2011, they actually expect to deliver 10.6% more lenses to the market.

For the first half of fiscal 2011, Nikon's DSLR share was 29.8% (but it was 40.1% in fiscal 2008.) Nikon sold 1.55 lenses per body, but industry average is 1.71 lenses per body. Nikon's earnings (just for the photo division) was 7.9% of revenue. That compares with 14.3% in 2008, 6.7% in 2009 and 9.2% in 2010, although a lot of that decline is because of small margins at the low end of the lines, especially point-and-shoots.

Besides, how many $10,000 lenses do you think they can actually sell?



Nov 26, 2010 at 01:02 PM
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p.2 #14 · Nikkor 600mm


The B&H store doesn't give a crap about the fact that this lens is expensive.... Maybe some small stores do...yeah. But if this lens isn't available at B&H, Adorama or Amazon, it's not because of the high price or you have to order one to get it. . It doesn't work that way (at least in case of these three stores). They have cash, a lot of it too. They can also afford to have a few of these $10,000 lenses laying around... I know that... (maybe I work for one of them. I can't tell you that )
There is another reason no one has this lens in stock. I don't know what that is. Maybe high demand. I don't really know. I've seen this lens available in Europe. So I know Nikon's producing it, or was for a while. But why is so hard to get one here in US? Hard to tell. I'd call Nikon and simply ask. What's going on? I'm actually looking for this lens myself. It'll be now close to 6 months, and can't get one. Maybe they are available in Japan. It almost makes me wanna go there to get it. But I've also heard it's not available in Japan. Someone said that this lens has some issues and Nikon is investigating them and simply pulled them all out of stores or stopped production. Maybe, but if you call Nikon I doubt they'll tell you that (assuming that this is in fact a case). I guess all we can do is just wait..... Or switch to Canon. All stores carry new 600mm f/4 or even 800mm f/5.6 lenses. The 800mm f/5.6 costs $11,000 and I just looked at Amazon and they have it in stock, no problem.



Nov 26, 2010 at 07:01 PM
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p.2 #15 · Nikkor 600mm


zoetmb wrote:
I don't think it's quite that simple........Besides, how many $10,000 lenses do you think they can actually sell?


Actually, my point was that MARKET RESEARCH could easily, simply, and cheaply determine how many high end lenses like the 600 (or 800) they could sell within a given market period..........then they could decide if it was economical and profitable to produce same for that market period -- and their marketing could reflect their actual business plan.

Based on my discussions around the Southwest and with others of like intent, I have no doubt that the "amateur" market for this lens far, far exceeds the profesional market, yet you almost have to be a "favored member" of NPS to even have a chance of purchasing one.

If the situation is as you say, then I would have to place Nikon in the "dishonest business model" side of the equation unless they change their marketing to reflect the lens as a "special order" or limited manufacturing period" item.

I wonder if maybe that's why so many profesional shooters with long lenses are carrying Canon gear.



Nov 26, 2010 at 09:36 PM
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p.2 #16 · Nikkor 600mm


Gregg B. wrote:
I'm actually looking for this lens myself. It'll be now close to 6 months, and can't get one..


Well, if you want one real bad Saturday call Showcase in Atlanta (see link) and order the 600 f4 before someone else beats you to it.

http://www.showcaseinc.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idcategory=319&curPage=3&sortField=sku

As a side note, they also have the TC 2.0 III that a lot of folks complain about being so hard to find.





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Nov 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM
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p.2 #17 · Nikkor 600mm


Genes Home wrote:
Not really. Since Thom H started commenting about the limited supply of Super Teles, I have made it a point to check 4 or 5 dealers online each week and see what is available. The 300's are always for sale, and the 400 and 500 are available at a couple of places each week. The 600 being the hardest to find, I find available about every other week.

In a post above I put a link to a 600 that is available for sale now. I have PM'd a couple of people that have posted a desire for a
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Nov 26, 2010 at 11:56 PM
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p.2 #18 · Nikkor 600mm


I'd have to beg to differ when folks say they just aren't available. I purchased two in 2010 and I saw one available for two days at the Nikon store just a couple weeks ago. I've actually seen five for sale in 2010 and all but one went same day. Yep, just like a good deal here on FM... The go FAST!

If you really want one, check every on-line place every day (or twice a day), there aren't that many places on-line that sell USA versions. That said, I didn't do that but rather just came upon both, one was the local pro shop that someone didn't want and the other was when the Nikon store opened and I was just checking out what they had in stock. Here's where a screen scraper to auto check the sites and text you when it's available would be invaluable.

Honestly I think finding one is more about luck in timing. I also have noticed that Nikon appears to ship them to the US in batches, you'll see them at more than one place within a few days of each other, then nothing for 2-3 months.

I'd have to agree that the amateur market is strong and that might be the issue. In the past the pro market was known and pretty static year over year. I imagine many amateurs just couldn't or wouldn't spend the funds on a 600. Now it seems a lot of pros don't use the 600 much and when they do they just borrow it from NPS for the event (no net new sales). A lot have kept their older ones and/or went to the 500. But I'd argue that the amateur market worldwide is much greater than ever before. Given the net profit on a 600 vs the cost to manufacture I'd assume it's much more profitable to create the smaller lenses so more potential demand still may not generate enough on paper to justify.

I'd also agree that the US likely isn't a preferred market compared to many other places in the world. It would be interesting to see the stats on how many are shipped and sold in each country, especially if the data showed the time to sale. Special orders vs stock would be good to know. My guess is Nikon knows much of this but I doubt we'll ever see it shared.



Nov 27, 2010 at 05:19 AM
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p.2 #19 · Nikkor 600mm


"I'd have to agree that the amateur market is strong and that might be the issue."
Yep and maybe 1 out of 100 who say they want one will put the money down when the lens shows up.

Yes the 500/600 is not as easy to pick up as a 24-70 but if you really want one they can be found in a few weeks time.

They are made in batches due to the time it takes to make the glass.
Good business is to have just enough product to meet demand. That way it can be sold at full MSRP and everybody makes more money.



Nov 27, 2010 at 08:28 AM
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p.2 #20 · Nikkor 600mm


I have the Nikon 600mm Version II .. I really like it - has been in for minor repair (manual focus ring, bayonette - decoder board - cleaning - shipping $550 ) so is like brand new .. if I had to have a 600mm vr though and I can't think of a single reason as a hobbyist ... I'm also in the group that believes shooting with 2 systems is A OK .. esp when that other system is a 600mm w/ a 7D camera for the price of a single new Nikon 600mm lens.


Nov 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM
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