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hidden_Markov wrote:
does only zeiss give cool points or does my voigtlander 40/2 add some cool points?
Same company, cosina, same production facility as I understand it (so good chance if a voigtlander lens builder called out sick....my CV 40/2 may have had the honor of being touched by a builder filling in off of the zeiss assmebly line lol). CV's got to be worth at least a .5 cool point, amiright
Yes, you are precisely correct. Your CV40 only counts for half of a point. As you are aware, the brand of a lens is the only important factor here. You will only become cool once you pony up for a Zeiss....
does only zeiss give cool points or does my voigtlander 40/2 add some cool points?
Same company, cosina, same production facility as I understand it (so good chance if a voigtlander lens builder called out sick....my CV 40/2 may have had the honor of being touched by a builder filling in off of the zeiss assmebly line lol). CV's got to be worth at least a .5 cool point, amiright
Yes, you are precisely correct. Your CV40 only counts for half of a point. As you are aware, the brand of a lens is the only important factor here. You will only become cool once you pony up for a Zeiss....
Oct 13, 2010 at 08:41 AM
p.4 #2More Uselessness
Todd, your tests prove one thing, the differences are very subtle between the two lenses. It is remarkable that a lens with a 40 yr design can even compete with a state of the art brand new lens that costs almost 10x as much. I must admit, your tests made me purchase a 105 2.5 P.C. It has been sitting in a box for a few days waiting for me, can't wait!
When I had the ZF 100 and Nikon 105 2.5 AI-S there was no comparison in pretty much every are....bokeh, sharpness, contrast, etc. The Zeiss was far better. I got rid of the AI-S. THEN....I saw your 'useless' comparisons and see that you are using the P.C....which is what I have heard is the best of the 105 2.5 bunch. Found a deal I couldn't pass up for one in like new condition. If it is anything like yours I will consider it the best bargain I have purchased.
To afm901....as others have mentioned, there are slight differences obviously and everybody has different needs. Everyones thought of the better lens to them applies to what that individual needs. Hey, an 18-70 f/3.5 may be a better lens for some than a 24-70 f/2.8. You are correct, you can't throw a blanket statement out there that all Zeiss lenses at all lengths are better than the Nikon equivalent, but the Zeiss lenses are fantastic and have the following they do for a reason
When I had the ZF 100 and Nikon 105 2.5 AI-S there was no comparison in pretty much every are....bokeh, sharpness, contrast, etc. The Zeiss was far better. I got rid of the AI-S. THEN....I saw your 'useless' comparisons and see that you are using the P.C....which is what I have heard is the best of the 105 2.5 bunch. Found a deal I couldn't pass up for one in like new condition. If it is anything like yours I will consider it the best bargain I have purchased.
To afm901....as others have mentioned, there are slight differences obviously and everybody has different needs. Everyones thought of the better lens to them applies to what that individual needs. Hey, an 18-70 f/3.5 may be a better lens for some than a 24-70 f/2.8. You are correct, you can't throw a blanket statement out there that all Zeiss lenses at all lengths are better than the Nikon equivalent, but the Zeiss lenses are fantastic and have the following they do for a reason
Oct 13, 2010 at 09:04 AM
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I didn't even pick up on the fact that the Nikkor lens used was a PC version. I mistakenly thought it was the AIS model..... Geez - I guess I will need to try that one out as well! I really do like my 105mm f/2.5 AIS lens a lot though - especially on my FE2.
Oct 13, 2010 at 09:09 AM
p.4 #4More Uselessness
I don't think my Nikkor is a P-C. I am still not completely familiar with all of the models, but unless I am missing something, "P-C" implies that it's also pre-AI? My lens is an AI version, but not AI-S. Serial number 744xxx. I also think it the P-C and every version after had the same Gauss design, but I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
The only difference I can see with the S version is that it no longer has curved aperture blades, and I wonder if and how this will effect bokeh.
The only difference I can see with the S version is that it no longer has curved aperture blades, and I wonder if and how this will effect bokeh.
Oct 13, 2010 at 09:53 AM
p.4 #5More Uselessness
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html#800
Not a P C by that serial number list
Not a P C by that serial number list
Oct 13, 2010 at 09:59 AM
p.4 #6More Uselessness
My 5 min research tells me that the optics are all the same and the differences are external. The focus throw is shorter on the AI-S version than the pre-AI and AI versions and maybe why that is why I had a harder time than the Zeiss to get sharp shots. The pre-AI are also all metal, no rubber grip...which I personally like. We shall see
Oct 13, 2010 at 10:31 AM
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dj dunzie wrote:
Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.
Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses!
)
Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
Gary Clennan wrote
DJ - I am waaaay cooler than you because I have four Zeiss lenses! Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses!
)Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
Oct 13, 2010 at 10:36 AM
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Andre Labonte wrote:
Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.
Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses! )
Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
I was at Sam's Club yesterday and saw "Zeiss - lens cleaning wipes" I think that's like an automatic +10 cool points!
dj dunzie wrote
Gary Clennan wrote
DJ - I am waaaay cooler than you because I have four Zeiss lenses! Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses!
)Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
I was at Sam's Club yesterday and saw "Zeiss - lens cleaning wipes" I think that's like an automatic +10 cool points!
Oct 13, 2010 at 11:31 AM
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JR Magat wrote:
Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.
Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses! )
Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
I was at Sam's Club yesterday and saw "Zeiss - lens cleaning wipes" I think that's like an automatic +10 cool points!
If it was a pack of 100, that makes you 25 times more cool than Gary and 50 times more cool than DJ! I'm not worthy!
Andre Labonte wrote
dj dunzie wrote
Gary Clennan wrote
DJ - I am waaaay cooler than you because I have four Zeiss lenses! Unless you have bought a few recently (ZF25 perhaps?) which we don't know about.... To each their own I say.Well then my newly-learned math teaches me you are twice as cool as me!
(And I'm not afraid to admit it has likely nothing to do with lenses!
)Seriously, with the scenery you live so close to Gary, you really do have a head start with "cool".
I'm not cool at all then, I don't own any Zeiss lenses ... but my cam corder has Zeiss optics! Does that count?
If it was a pack of 100, that makes you 25 times more cool than Gary and 50 times more cool than DJ! I'm not worthy!
Oct 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM
p.4 #10More Uselessness
Honestly, there MUST be some cool factor involved in using these 30+ year old antique lenses, too. Right??
Oct 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM
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Todd Adamson wrote:
I don't think my Nikkor is a P-C. I am still not completely familiar with all of the models, but unless I am missing something, "P-C" implies that it's also pre-AI? My lens is an AI version, but not AI-S. Serial number 744xxx. I also think it the P-C and every version after had the same Gauss design, but I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
The only difference I can see with the S version is that it no longer has curved aperture blades, and I wonder if and how this will effect bokeh.
the nikkor 105mm f/2.5 was originally derived from the design of the 85mm f/2 for the nikon S cameras. early versions of the lens (pre 70's) had a sonnar design.
source: http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/technology/nikkor/n05_e.htm
i've heard people claim that the older design was actually better. i'm sure part of the reason for the change was that sonnars are expensive to build, however the biggest reason was probably that multicoating technology rendered a sonnar design unnecessary. i've always been curious about what the differences in rendering between the old and new designs are and will probably get either a pre 70's 105 or an S mount 85 f/2 soon.
I don't think my Nikkor is a P-C. I am still not completely familiar with all of the models, but unless I am missing something, "P-C" implies that it's also pre-AI? My lens is an AI version, but not AI-S. Serial number 744xxx. I also think it the P-C and every version after had the same Gauss design, but I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
The only difference I can see with the S version is that it no longer has curved aperture blades, and I wonder if and how this will effect bokeh.
the nikkor 105mm f/2.5 was originally derived from the design of the 85mm f/2 for the nikon S cameras. early versions of the lens (pre 70's) had a sonnar design.
source: http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/technology/nikkor/n05_e.htm
i've heard people claim that the older design was actually better. i'm sure part of the reason for the change was that sonnars are expensive to build, however the biggest reason was probably that multicoating technology rendered a sonnar design unnecessary. i've always been curious about what the differences in rendering between the old and new designs are and will probably get either a pre 70's 105 or an S mount 85 f/2 soon.
Oct 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM
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Todd Adamson wrote:
Honestly, there MUST be some cool factor involved in using these 30+ year old antique lenses, too. Right??
I agree!
Honestly, there MUST be some cool factor involved in using these 30+ year old antique lenses, too. Right??
I agree!
Oct 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM
p.4 #13More Uselessness
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
Oct 13, 2010 at 03:14 PM
p.4 #14More Uselessness
dj dunzie wrote:
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
Ask that question again after saying that you are going Christmas shopping.
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
Ask that question again after saying that you are going Christmas shopping.
Oct 13, 2010 at 03:18 PM
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dj dunzie wrote:
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
DJ - quit calling me a zero! This thread has gone to the birds.... PS - just noticed I have some Zeiss lens cleaner spray. Yay!!
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
DJ - quit calling me a zero! This thread has gone to the birds.... PS - just noticed I have some Zeiss lens cleaner spray. Yay!!
Oct 13, 2010 at 03:46 PM
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Yes, they can be bought, my kids... unfortunately they can't be sold sometimes!!
Oct 13, 2010 at 03:47 PM
p.4 #17More Uselessness
Gary Clennan wrote:
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.DJ - quit calling me a zero! This thread has gone to the birds.... PS - just noticed I have some Zeiss lens cleaner spray. Yay!!
hmmm, and i found those zeiss wipes at christmas tree shoppes and snagged them
dj dunzie wrote
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
hmmm, and i found those zeiss wipes at christmas tree shoppes and snagged them
Oct 13, 2010 at 05:35 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.DJ - quit calling me a zero! This thread has gone to the birds.... PS - just noticed I have some Zeiss lens cleaner spray. Yay!!
You'll always be cool in my books Gary. Unfortunately, ask my kids... my books may be a little out of date.
dj dunzie wrote
I think the whole cool scale we have implemented here is flawed somehow.I just asked my kids if I was cool and they laughed and said "Noooooo!" simultaneously. When I pushed it and asked "Well on a scale of 1 to 100 how cool am I?" and got told "Like, zero!". If Gary's twice as cool as me, he's still at zero, right?
I need another MF Zeiss lens, quite obviously.
You'll always be cool in my books Gary. Unfortunately, ask my kids... my books may be a little out of date.
Oct 13, 2010 at 08:43 PM
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Pavel wrote:
Any of the zeiss wide open - and closer?
Hey Pavel. There are many samples on the ZF/ZE/ZM Zeiss thread over in the Alternative Gear forum...
Any of the zeiss wide open - and closer?
Hey Pavel. There are many samples on the ZF/ZE/ZM Zeiss thread over in the Alternative Gear forum...
Oct 15, 2010 at 08:36 AM