thrice wrote:
Although if you've seen the teardown of an M8 on the L-Camera-Forum you see that no space is wasted at all, they even have multi-tiered PCB's, and PCB's on right angles, all connected with flat cables, it's really quite elaborate. Add AF and the size benefits of an APS-C sensor become less and less. I'm still amazed they fit a 'full frame' sensor in the M9.
the rangefinder mechanism itself is kind of a space hog - needs to be a certain length to be really accurate. for me personally, i'd rather replace it with a high quality evf for manual focus and dof preview (there's some obvious trade offs ymmv). i'm curious to see what this hybrid one will be like. the fact that there is no space wasted doesn't imply they couldn't easily make it smaller - they designed the internals for the body that they had. i'm sure they could make it smaller, though leica is probably hampered in customized electronics to some extent by having to buy electronics from someone else.
I'd prefer mechanical focus, but focus by wire isn't enough to keep me away from the camera. If Fuji makes it right, it should still feel pretty good. Thankfully, they include digital distance scales on the LCD.
Spyro P. wrote:
so why the focus by wire?
Just the universe's way of telling me it doesnt like me?
if i had to guess i would say so that the camera knows the focus distance and an auto zoom-in is activated on the evf when you turn the focus ring, which turns out to be obnoxious not helpful to me at least. a direct button to zoom in and real focus ring with distance scale would be much better.
my second guess is that the universe doesn't like you.
douglasf13 wrote:
I'd prefer mechanical focus, but focus by wire isn't enough to keep me away from the camera. If Fuji makes it right, it should still feel pretty good. Thankfully, they include digital distance scales on the LCD.
οh yeah they do, but still, knock the lens ever so slightly and you have to check VF to see where you're at. Not a big deal probably, it just adds an unnecessary step to my shooting habbits. But I'm trying to put myself in the designer's shoes and guess why is a mechanical ring such a no no lately. Its the same with NEX, 4:3 and m4:3. Do they reckon a bit more electronic gadgetry would be a selling point? Too many numbers on the lens would confuse a newbie? Is there a design issue with mechanical rings? Is focus by wire cheaper? I want to know who to blame
I applaud Fuji, with their tangential approach to the design of the X100, and hopefully the FF version won't be far away either. Nevertheless we are still looking at an APS-C size sensor, and there is strong competition with the NEX 3/5, and Pentax K-5. The real strength with the NEX 5, has been the ability to use non legacy lenses and achieve some amazing results. I am assuming the lens will be excellent, and the final IQ will be great too, but this is in the detail yet to be delivered. IMO, there are so many excellent lenses now available both new and second hand that it is shame that Fuji X100 won't be able to add this to their arsenal. It is interesting in Sony's discussion, that with the NEX 3/5 that they have been suprised, how the NEX's have utilized other legacy lenses.
Imamura repeated the enthusiasm he expressed at Photokina for the use of legacy lenses on the NEX system: 'with lens adapters, people can combine their valued, heritage lenses with a very advanced digital body. We didn't expect that kind of usage.
I am somewhat suprised by this statement, as it shows that a lack of perception of the market. Maybe we in the "alternative" group, make up only a small portion of actual sales.
Spyro P. wrote:
thats what throws me, I dont see how electronics would be cheaper or smaller compared to no electronics
The ring is there in both cases.
don't have to worry about proper damping of the actual ring? i'm still betting they see it as a feature though.
sebboh wrote:
don't have to worry about proper damping of the actual ring? i'm still betting they see it as a feature though.
Personally I give them a bit more credit than that. The X100 is pretty much as impressive a camera as any in current development. I think Fuji deserve a bit of applause for the approach they've taken with this camera. They've really thought about making a really awesome camera.
Spyro P. wrote:
so why the focus by wire?
Just the universe's way of telling me it doesnt like me?
Has there ever been a rangefinder style camera with autofocus and a proper focus ring? I can't think of one. Classic focus rings that stop at MFD and at, or just after, infinity don't get along as well with autofocus. Think of the difference between Nikon's AF-D and AF-S (correct me if I'm wrong and it would be totally possible.)
I'd love for this to have a focus tab too, but oh well.
cgiff wrote: Has there ever been a rangefinder style camera with autofocus and a proper focus ring? I can't think of one. Classic focus rings that stop at MFD and at, or just after, infinity don't get along as well with autofocus.....I'd love for this to have a focus tab too, but oh well.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the late, great Contact G fit the above description?
charles.K wrote:
I am somewhat suprised by this statement, as it shows that a lack of perception of the market. Maybe we in the "alternative" group, make up only a small portion of actual sales.
Legacy lenses, with few exceptions like Leica, CV, etc. are older, used glass, so no new revenue for the camera manufacturers there.
