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p.16 #1 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


jcolwell wrote:
I think the X100 will be the contemporary version of one of my favourite cameras.


I do like that Zuiko lens, and much prefer its focal length to 35mm.

Note the tripod socket and flash are offset from the lens axis; how on Earth do you take photos with that thing??



Sep 25, 2010 at 08:50 AM
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p.16 #2 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Makten wrote:
Yeah, this talk about flexibility is just stupid. There are thousands of "flexible" cameras already. I'd buy this one becaus it's NOT flexible. I hate flexibility.

If you want a knife, you don't buy a swiss army knife. That's not a knife.


Very well put.



Sep 25, 2010 at 08:56 AM
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p.16 #3 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


One of these in my case


http://kumadang.byus.net/tattertools/attach/1/2109423543.jpg



Sep 25, 2010 at 09:40 AM
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p.16 #4 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


carstenw wrote:
Then why do so many of us buy DSLRs? They are the swiss army knives of photodom. Flexible compromises.


Yes, and there are lots of them. The gap to fill is not more flexibility.

I find that I make better photos with more limited equipment, such as my Contax 645 or my Linhof Master Technika. The less flexible, the more it focuses the mind on certain opportunities. This is also behind the success of cameras like the Leica M6. Really not flexible, but amazingly good at a few things.

Exactly! The only reason I've got a dSLR is that there is no affordable alternative yet. I'll probably not buy the X100, but I hope it opens up a "new" (old) niche. I want something like it, but FF, and want my Biogon 35/2.8 to work on it.



Sep 25, 2010 at 10:09 AM
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I think the X100 will provide what I was hoping to get with the E-P1. I really want an optical finder, and I don't mind using a fixed lens - especially one from Fujifilm. I sold the E-P1 and five LM/LTM lenses that I bought for it early this year, to help cover a 1DsIII. I'll definitely get the X100 when it comes out. I expect it'll cost about the same as the E-P1 + 17/2.8 kit that I bought in July 2009.


Sep 25, 2010 at 10:43 AM
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p.16 #6 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


jcolwell wrote:
How about this one? Flash shoe is on the bottom!


That's just madness!



Sep 25, 2010 at 01:40 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
How about this one? Flash shoe is on the bottom!



But notice that the tripod socket is pretty well centered....

;-)




Sep 25, 2010 at 03:36 PM
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p.16 #8 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Lotusm50 wrote:
But notice that the tripod socket is pretty well centered....

;-)


Yes. They ran out of room to put it off centre - too bad.



Sep 25, 2010 at 03:56 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
How about this one? Flash shoe is on the bottom!

Well, that's just plain wrong... just kidding. Since Thom refers to a hot shoe rather than an accessory shoe, I must assume he's thinking about the importance of centering his (on-axis) flash source. Especially in the historical context of the X100 design, that complaint is moot: most flashes were well off-axis on a bracket: the potato masher was particularly popular. When using flash bulbs, the flash source was well away from the body to accommodate the large metal reflector. Even Leica played this flash game with CTOOM (hinged bracket) and CEYOO (battery grip w/ fan reflector). I mean to get some M3 bulbs for my flash unit to evoke the creative spirit of our photo progenitors. All hail Weegee!

Not that there's anything wrong with Nikon DSLRs (I have two), but Thom cannot see the larger picture, so to speak. Even good 'ol Ken Rockwell has a broader diet.



Sep 25, 2010 at 05:33 PM
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I have to respectfully disagree with those that a) erroneously quote Thom and b) think that his comments are way off base. Stating that Ken Rockwell has a "broader diet", what ever that may mean, is.. well.. Thom is knowledgeable and have been in the business for quite some time, I doubt that any of the current naysayers actually have read trough his gear posts in any large amount, if they did, they would know that Thom IS quite capable of seeing the larger picture..


Sep 25, 2010 at 05:42 PM
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rico wrote:
Well, that's just plain wrong... just kidding. Since Thom refers to a hot shoe rather than an accessory shoe...


It's a hot shoe.



Sep 25, 2010 at 06:05 PM
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p.16 #12 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Since it's a hot shoe, placement on the bottom seems absolutely logical, doesn't it?


Sep 25, 2010 at 06:09 PM
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Sep 25, 2010 at 06:16 PM
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dpreview also complains about off center tripod mounts. Leica of course has it all wrong, but that's what you get when you buy an el cheapo German camera. Same with my Metz potato masher. Looks silly when centered on top of the camera. German too of course. They should listen more to the gods of the internet. Pixel peepers and measurebators rule the world

Oh... and film is dead of course...



Sep 25, 2010 at 07:28 PM
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p.16 #15 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


jcolwell wrote:
How about this one? Flash shoe is on the bottom!


I love this camera. Used it for many years as a light travel setup....



Sep 25, 2010 at 08:23 PM
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p.16 #16 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Finepix X100 gets my vote for the camera (soon to be) in current production.


Sep 25, 2010 at 09:13 PM
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I have a couple of questions that I wonder if anyone can answer...

Since it's not a 'true' rangefinder, how is focusing achieved in the OVF mode? Could it be that the only option in that mode might be somewhat blind autofocus, combined with the distance scale? I can imagine that having a knowledge of subject distance and setting a center AF point in that way might work decently... but is MF relegated exclusively to the EVF or distance scale?

Does the aperture ring have half clicks?

Is the focusing ring an infinite turner, or does it have stops at either end of the focus range? I think this is commonly referred to as 'focus by wire' vs mechanical focusing.

I'm sure everyone is curious about this stuff (and probably a lot more)

I'm kind of glad I've been saving up for the next iteration of the GF1 instead of just buying the current one.. we'll see which ends up being the winner!

Also, here's the little Konica Auto S3 I've been shooting with for the last 8 months as my sole camera (!)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4547495691_4e7fab0515_z.jpg


Kind of surprising how little one needs sometimes!



Sep 26, 2010 at 11:21 AM
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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v342/134/64/636555097/n636555097_1029904_1629.jpg

I do dearly want to have a digital equivalen to this, as this camera is just a dream to shoot with. FL is close enough with the X100 to be picky about it



Sep 26, 2010 at 11:59 AM
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p.16 #19 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Hudson Gardner wrote:
I have a couple of questions that I wonder if anyone can answer...

Since it's not a 'true' rangefinder, how is focusing achieved in the OVF mode? Could it be that the only option in that mode might be somewhat blind autofocus, combined with the distance scale? I can imagine that having a knowledge of subject distance and setting a center AF point in that way might work decently... but is MF relegated exclusively to the EVF or distance scale?


From what we know so far, there is an AF sensor rectangle in the OVF that can be placed (maybe) anywhere in the frame and can be different sizes. I imagine the rectangle will flash, change colour or something similar to signal focus has been achieved (there will probably be a beep too).

As for manual focus, we know for sure it can be done in EVF mode, but in OVF? We don't know. Here's something that I would like to see that I expect old-school rangefinder users would love: Have the LCD project onto the OVF only the portion of the total image within the user-defined AF rectangle, which would make manual focusing similar to traditional rangefinder focusing. I don't know if this is technically feasible with Sony's CMOS sensor, but if it is, I hope Fuji implement it.

Does the aperture ring have half clicks?

We don't know, but it would be silly if it didn't.

Is the focusing ring an infinite turner, or does it have stops at either end of the focus range? I think this is commonly referred to as 'focus by wire' vs mechanical focusing.

It is focus by wire, but that doesn't mean the ring has to be infinitely turning. However, it probably will be.

Also, here's the little Konica Auto S3 I've been shooting with for the last 8 months as my sole camera (!)

Oh she's a beut!



Sep 26, 2010 at 02:21 PM
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p.16 #20 · Fuji X100 APS-C Rangefinder !


Why is an off center tripod mount such a big deal with such a light and small camera with a tiny lens?


Sep 26, 2010 at 02:59 PM
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