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Tom Dix
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p.3 #1 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Once again; not a review; now back to Paul put-downs...


Sep 16, 2010 at 09:42 PM
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p.3 #2 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


You mention Chuck Westfall, but to my knowledge, he/Canon pick and choose where they make themselves available very carefully.

Yes Chuck does do that, but that is or was part of his job to work with professional photographers.

Perhaps I was having a bad day but I had to look at it twice to realize that you were being cynical.

No I wasn't being cynical, and I wasn't being ironic, I was being straight up honest: I am glad to see that Profoto or MAC Group USA has an official representative here because it is good for them to do so. What I don't like is the way he titled the thread. I deal with the marketing and tech guys at Mac Group very regularly as part of my other day job as a Tech Editor / writer at Professional Photographer.

Since you are chosing to be anonymous I have no idea who you are. Who are you?



Sep 16, 2010 at 09:57 PM
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I am in a unique position, along with owners of other privately held companies where the owner is also the technical brains. Lumedyne, Dynalite and Novatron are good examples.

Since the purpose of this forum, from my standpoint, is to offer non=promotional technical info, it's a tough call to put a salesman or rep or dealer on here. If other companies were to have a presence here, I would think it should be the company's technical director or chief engineer, not the marketing staff. I believe most readers would welcome serious technical debate - even hot and heavy, between the product creators, but not between salesmen.

Whatever person is one here representing a company should be absolutely transparent as to who he (she) is.

Of course, this is not my call - it's the members and moderators. Finally, do I get of topic or a bit out of line now and then? Absolutely, and I apologize for when this happens. But I am a proud and bold person and there are times when one man's out of line is another's testosterone and willingness to stand up for what he believes.



Sep 17, 2010 at 12:53 AM
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p.3 #4 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Well, i might be alone on this.

But i don't always want to know who cooks my burger.

If i have a profoto question, i'll ask profoto.

So far the only let down for me was that i e-mailed a question to Eli, and never got a reply out of them. :shrug:



Sep 17, 2010 at 01:04 AM
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p.3 #5 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


E-Vener wrote:
...It would be nice if Elinchrom, Speedotron, Dynalite, etc. also had official presences here. In fact it would be very smart marketing on their part if they did.


Agreed. I like the individual comanies' Web sites, some of which include chat fora, but there's nothing quite like having them here on "our" turf to exchange thoughts with.

I know it's probably not practical; we're not the only photography forum on the net, and they wouldn't want to accused of favoritism, but still...



Sep 17, 2010 at 03:07 AM
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p.3 #6 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


E-V; you had me too; thought for sure that was sarcasm.


Sep 17, 2010 at 03:07 PM
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p.3 #7 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Wow...

I go on a shoot and when I come back BOOM this has exploded. Where could I even possibly begin to address this?

Let me start with the semantics that caused a few distress. Perhaps I could have chosen a better word than "review." No, I am not Rob Galbraith and nowhere in this post did I claim that I was or that I am anywhere capable of producing the content that Rob does.

The reality is that the title for the thread "My personal account of using a Profoto Batpac on location in conjunction with a D1 1000 AIR monolight written for the Profoto Blog even though I was not paid or compensated to create this content, rather merely as a springboard for my own photographic career on a high profile blog" was too long for a title on FM. Its sort of a run on sentence too... In my humble opinion, I thought "Review" was a bit more succinct- but apparently it was not received that way.

I am not on this forum to "deceive" FM community members - if I was I could have posted all this content on my personal blog and directed people there. I could have used tinyURL or one of the other services to mask the link so upon clicking someone would have went, "Wow. How did I end up on the Profoto site?" I think the introduction and the link was pretty transparent, again sorry if I offended anyone on the forum by my misguiding you. Maybe I should look into a disclaimer before each link with an animated GIF of "WARNING- You are being redirected to an external blog."

Speaking of transparency- let me get as transparent as I can be:

1. Name: DC Chavez
2. Age: 28 years old
3. Location: Redondo Beach, CA
4. Blood Type: O- (yes, I am a universal donor)
5. Occupation: Self-Employed Photographer / Videographer
6. Specialty: Automotive Racing
7. Blog posts written for Profoto: 5
8. $ amount received from Profoto / MAC Group: $0.00 (Although I did get $75 from a rebate on the 3 Pocketwizard Plus II's I purchased)
9. $ of free Profoto gear I now own as a result of said blogging: $0.00
10. My # of posts on Fred Miranda- 29 (well, now 30)
11. # of posts putting down PCB products: 0
12. # of threads pertaining to PCB products that I hijacked and started talking about Profoto: 0
13. # of people in this thread that are thankful I am posting this information on FM: 6
14. Did Profoto tell / ask me to post this content here or any other forum: NO
15. Did I generate the content 100% myself and want to share with other photographers: YES

I think that is enough for transparency...

The reality is that I am a working photographer that uses Profoto gear. FM and other forums are designed to share information about how we do what we do, what we use and why. This is the Lighting & Studio Technique forum right? After rereading my blog post, yes, it does in fact talk about lighting and, believe it or not, a bit of technique... It may not be as detailed as some may like – detailing t.5 or t.1 numbers, power draw on recycle etc. The fact of the matter is while those numbers are incredibly important it was not the main concern of my blog. If you read it, you would see that I was more focused on giving a brief overview of the technology and then an account of what it was like to incorporate the Batpac into my workflow. I think if people want the detailed tech info, they go to an appropriate outlet for that like Rob Galbraith, dpreview or the like. While I am sure there are a number of people on here that may appreciate that, I am willing the general population wants to know if a product fits into their workflow, works with their gear and will help them create the photos their clients require.

Until this post, there were only two accounts of people using the Batpac, which left some questions unanswered:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/915347/0?keyword=batpac#8633843

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/899940/0?keyword=batpac#8478211

I gave my account, hopefully answering some of their questions.

I am not here to point fingers, hijack threads, cause drama, or as it was so eloquently put “brazenly post links” that I am not supposed to. I am here to let photographers that there are options to safely power their D1, Compact and Acute systems, a laptop, a refrigerator or any device with max. 600W power consumption. This is good to know because according to the link that was posted earlier:

“The Vagabond II is designed specifically for powering Paul C. Buff, Inc. products and that we cannot make any claim for suitability with products from other manufacturers, nor can we accept any liability for any damage that might be caused to such equipment.”

I like knowing that when I plug in my Profoto gear to a Batpac it is going to give me the power I need without damaging my investment I have made in lighting equipment.

Thank you,

DC



Sep 17, 2010 at 05:09 PM
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p.3 #8 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


DC,

I sympathize with you on this. I've been hacked to pieces many times on FM for the appearance of commercialism, and certainly know what it feels like.

As for the disclaimer connected with Vagabond II, it is pretty standard liability practice for manufacturers to make this sort of statement . . . to not imply that they will guarantee, or be liable for damages from uses outside the intended purpose or to third party products.

Were I in Profoto's shoes, I would rethink the implication that they will warranty any third party device whose owner might claim was damaged by their product. There are products involving motors that might draw more starting current then BatPac can provide and which might consequently stall, overheat and fry themselves. Perhaps not too likely, but certainly possible. They really ought to run this by their lawyers and product liability insurer.

Also, a 600W 12V inverter involves extremely high battery and Mosfet currents and there is always the possibility of an inverter failure that can cause a fault that in turn can damage something connected to it. No product has a 100% failure-free record.



Sep 17, 2010 at 06:52 PM
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DC Chavez wrote:
13. # of people in this thread that are thankful I am posting this information on FM: 6


If you are counting, make that 7.

Also thanks for the Magnum and 8' Giant "personal account of use".

Should you ever be able to compare Giant 7' and 8', let us know...



Sep 17, 2010 at 09:24 PM
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p.3 #10 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Make that eight if you didn't count me already. I just really wish you'd title the thread something else.


Sep 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM
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photomarvin wrote:
I'm curious how a review of a Profoto product has turned into something about Paul Buff...this makes no sense to me at all.

Ego & member comparison

To the OP... Thx for the description/review, it was a decent read and it's good to see a full range of products.



Sep 17, 2010 at 10:55 PM
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p.3 #12 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Idea for future: "Hands-On with... bla bla"

Then the sharks might go for something that tastes more like yum.

For what it's worth... while I wouldn't call your review a 'review' per-se (hand-on really does make more sense), I've been thinking of doing some similar types of blog content myself in areas that I haven't really seen people talk about in detail. More meat than this, but not really a review...

Anyways, hope you're getting some good exposure out of the Profoto blog mention - certainly can't hurt your career, eh? Being up there right next to Gregory Helsier. Aw yeuh.



Sep 17, 2010 at 11:20 PM
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BrianO wrote:
Enough is enough, Paul. Grow up or go home, for crying out loud. ...<snip>....


One can only hope that either would take place - for him and his small group of usual suspects entourage. The triggers differ, but the key players and script remain the same each time - as does the inevitable last-line-of-defense-when-challenged 'don't pick on me/him' post(s).

That said, given how often we've been all been down this familiar BS path (and how many respected more gear-agnostic shooters have left for more adult-centric venues as a result), one can only conclude that he thinks he IS home and the landlords and silent majority of tenants have given him (et al) de-facto permission to redecorate-to-taste.

Since I'm a Profoto user and like/appreciate DC's tests, I tossed a 1/2 interested dog in this fight. That said, like many others, I'm rapidly no longer giving a damn. The forum will be allowed to become what it becomes. Life's too short to deal with the same ill-mannered, illogical and petulant children, their tired need for validation and their hocking of PCB tech to people ad-nauseum.

Edited on Sep 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM · View previous versions



Sep 18, 2010 at 08:26 AM
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p.3 #14 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Add another one thankful for the review, and I will call it a review. Please keep them coming DC.


Sep 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM
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p.3 #15 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


I would again direct you to the conclusions drawn and supported in the sister thread on this whole issue at https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/937214/1#lastmessage

From there you can draw your own conclusions of the accuracy or inaccuracies associated with this discussion. Those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and accept misleading and false technical information because someone says it's so . . . be my guest.



Sep 18, 2010 at 02:59 PM
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p.3 #16 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Red x for Paul; damn; sorry to see that. He was a plus to this forum. Wish him well!!

Once again; a nice promo piece; an advert; nothing more, nothing less.



Sep 19, 2010 at 05:23 PM
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Tom Dix wrote:
Red x for Paul; damn; sorry to see that. He was a plus to this forum. Wish him well!!

Once again; a nice promo piece; an advert; nothing more, nothing less.


Whats the Red X mark ?

Tbh, even if it would be an advert, i admit it has advert flair, i would rather congratulate him on getting the gig then bash him for it. As far as "adverts" go this would be a pretty personal one with some useful information thrown in.

I'd like to get my arse advertised on Profoto....



Sep 19, 2010 at 07:24 PM
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p.3 #18 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


The red X means Paul Buff has been banned from www.fredmiranda.com

And yes this post has been edited.




Sep 19, 2010 at 08:05 PM
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p.3 #19 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Sorry to hear that Paul is gone, as I am sure there are a lot of users here that enjoyed the direct contact they had with the manufacturer of their lighting equipment.

On the other hand, I am glad the we can now have a conversation about lighting without PCB products being inserted into every thread- be it Broncolor, Elinchrome, Profoto or any other gear.

So to reiterate the original intent of this thread, if you have any questions about the Batpac, please let me know. I will try to keep it on topic.



DC



Sep 19, 2010 at 10:13 PM
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p.3 #20 · Review of the Profoto Batpac


Good grief Paul Buff banned? Seriously? Let's just ban everyone with strong opinions while we're at it, ban the OP of this thread for instigating, ban Paul for taking the bait, ban supporters of either side since they are un-pure....





Sep 19, 2010 at 10:43 PM
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