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Tom K.
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p.4 #1 · Glen Beck Rally


bop gun wrote:
Tom,

I guess my misspelling of his first name feeds right in to your opinion of those at the rally as a bunch of dumb yokels, as evidenced by your sneaky little link of a "superb video", as seen on The Huffington Post, correct?

Take one young wet-behind-the-ears "reporter" with a microphone still with a buzz from the hopeandchange-aid, some selective editing, and voila, there you have it, irrefutable evidence of the racist idiocy of the modern conservative.

The mocking of the good citizens at the rally and of the resurgent conservative movement (tea partiers if you will) by the left
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You make a lot of assumptions about me. All from posting one link. You are incredibly upset over that video. Try to relax and move on.



Sep 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM
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p.4 #2 · Glen Beck Rally


jasonp1 wrote:
Karl Marx was included because of the Millions of people killed in the name of his ideology. Did he pull the trigger himself? No, I will give you that but in his own words:
"The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way… They must perish in the revolutionary holocaust"
- Karl Marx ( Marx People’s Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981 )
If onefollows this ideology, then mass murder is justified.


Your 'quotation' of Marx is false, misleading and taken entirely out of context.

To begin with, it's not a single quote at all! The first part of the quote comes from Marx, the second from Engels, so I will deal with them separately.

Marx does indeed say that "The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way." But what is he talking about here? Looking at the source, an 1853 letter entitled "Forced Emigration" written in the New York Tribune, it is quite obvious Marx is referring to the CAPITALIST 'revolution' that was taking place in Europe.

"Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way. But can there be anything more puerile, more short-sighted, than the views of those Economists who believe in all earnest that this woeful transitory state means nothing but adapting society to the acquisitive propensities of capitalists, both landlords and money-lords? In Great Britain the working of that process is most transparent. The...Show more

The second quote, which you misattribute to Marx, is actually from Engels. In a 1849 article entitled "The Magyar Struggle," published in Marx's Neue Rheinische Zeitung he wrote:
All the earlier history of Austria up to the present day is proof of this and 1848 confirmed it. Among all the large and small nations of Austria, only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and still retain their vitality — the Germans, Poles and Magyars. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary world storm. For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary.

What should first strike you is that your use of the word "holocaust" in your original quotation is cheap and cynical. It's also false. Secondly, again, the revolution being referred to is the Capitalist revolution taking place during that time. The small nationalities he refers to are those of what would eventually be called the Austro-Hungarian empire, and in the article he analyzes what would become of them as a result of this new Capitalist empire.

To summarize, you fail. Hard.




Sep 13, 2010 at 12:54 PM
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