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I always enjoy photos through windows with reflections of the background. Very sweet Ray.

I too prefer the black and white version Andy. The color version seems over saturated to me... but then I've never been to that part of the world and perhaps everything there is saturated like that...

I grabbed a shot this morning after doing a bit of shopping. It was a pretty grey day so I converted the image to black and white. Shot with the 135 f/2.8 K AI. The Richmond San Rafael Bridge... In the foreground is a fishing pier.


I would like to pick up on something you have said, Curtis---which I realize was just a totally appropriate expression of personal taste---to discuss a topic that may be a bit controversial, but that this thread will undoubtedly treat with its characteristic respect and care. It is the question about photography as representation of reality versus photography as interpretive art.

For example, if the level of colour saturation in Andy's photo is higher than it was in the actual scene, it is not a precise representation of the reality (of course, neither is the blurred water), but it might still be excellent art (which I think it is, regardless of representational accuracy). Please note that there is absolutely no colour saturation in his monochrome image, and yet nobody would be likely to worry that it doesn't represent the reality accurately. (By the way, Andy, I like both images equally, but for different reasons).

In truth, any photography, even explicitly documentary photography, is selective in its representation of reality, in that it has an inescapably editorial feature to it due to the limitation of the frame and the compositional choices made. The angle of view of the lens used also distorts the reality, especially if is an ultrawide, a fisheye, or a long telephoto lens (note that there is not even unanimous agreement on what constitutes a "normal" focal length), as does the "bokeh," especially in macrophotography. Any type of film lends a characteristic quality to each image that is not the same as what is seen through the human eye, as does most, if not all, digital post-processing and plenty of darkroom work; and colour representation also depends a great deal on the viewing medium. I won't even get started on infrared photography, which accesses wavelengths of light that are invisible to the human eye!

Thus, all photography is artistic and interpretive to some extent, and none of it can truly be said to represent reality with precision. But I don't want to be too pedantic or stodgy about this; there is obviously a continuum of representationality, from very accurate to very artistic/interpretive. My point is that photography is inescapably artistic and interpretive to some extent, and that it is a legitimate, rich, and enormously enjoyable artistic medium that we can use to convey emotional experience in ways that are unique to this medium.


Now that my little moment of passion is over---and in response to your liking for window reflections, Curtis---here are three more visible spectrum photos from the Hot August Nights car show in Comox. They were taken with my Fuji X-T4 and the lenses identified in the captions.





24 f/2.8 NC







50 f/1.4 SC







50 f/1.4 SC




Sep 14, 2023 at 10:25 PM
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I prefer the grayscale, but I prefer the colour one's crop


Here ya go Jim

Taupo by Andy Macdougall, on Flickr



Sep 14, 2023 at 10:56 PM
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GroWeb wrote:
I would like to pick up on something you have said, Curtis---which I realize was just a totally appropriate expression of personal taste---to discuss a topic that may be a bit controversial, but that this thread will undoubtedly treat with its characteristic respect and care. It is the question about photography as representation of reality versus photography as interpretive art.

For example, if the level of colour saturation in Andy's photo is higher than it was in the actual scene, it is not a precise representation of the reality (of course, neither is the blurred water), but it might still be
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I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I have always felt that photography is an art form, afterall, the etymology of the word literally means to "draw with light". IMHO the only form of photography that shouldn't be considered an art form is photojournalism.

Love your images.

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Sep 15, 2023 at 04:59 AM
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CGrindahl wrote:
I always enjoy photos through windows with reflections of the background. Very sweet Ray.

I too prefer the black and white version Andy. The color version seems over saturated to me... but then I've never been to that part of the world and perhaps everything there is saturated like that...

I grabbed a shot this morning after doing a bit of shopping. It was a pretty grey day so I converted the image to black and white. Shot with the 135 f/2.8 K AI. The Richmond San Rafael Bridge... In the foreground is a fishing pier.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53188393473_a42f849c76_o.jpg
135.2.8.K.RSRBridge by Curtis Grindahl, on Flickr



That bridge is insane Curtis !

Everything I shot in NZ uses the in camera Fujifilm Film Preset Camera Velvia/Vivid and is probably more saturated than "real life", I think the medium format sensor of the GFX helps and I also use a CPL which again probably adds some colour pop as well as reducing the glare on water.

Some of the waterfalls and greenery surrounding them, particularly on the North Island is however so vibrant that the scene is almost unbelievable. You probably missed those images though, I posted them shortly after my return to Australia in February.

I do aim to produce things that people would like to have on their wall, art is definitely what I'm going for, not necessarily photo-realistic images. Some of my long exposures are up to 8 minutes long!

That being said, everyone has different tastes and I fully respect your opinion. I probably do take it a little far sometimes. I would much prefer an honest opinion than just likes.

Andy



Sep 15, 2023 at 06:04 AM
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Speaking of walls, I finally got around to having Andy's church photo printed and framed, current hung in my hallway till I get rooms renovated. Couldn't back up enough in the hallway so did a pano





© NightOwl Cat 2023




Sep 15, 2023 at 06:16 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
Speaking of walls, I finally got around to having Andy's church photo printed and framed, current hung in my hallway till I get rooms renovated. Couldn't back up enough in the hallway so did a pano



Amazing!



Sep 15, 2023 at 06:18 AM
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GroWeb wrote:
I would like to pick up on something you have said, Curtis---which I realize was just a totally appropriate expression of personal taste---to discuss a topic that may be a bit controversial, but that this thread will undoubtedly treat with its characteristic respect and care. It is the question about photography as representation of reality versus photography as interpretive art.

For example, if the level of colour saturation in Andy's photo is higher than it was in the actual scene, it is not a precise representation of the reality (of course, neither is the blurred water), but it might still be
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As in my reply to Curtis, yes, I aim to produce pleasing "art" that would look good on a wall, not necessarily photo-realistic representations of the scene.

BUT - I process on an uncorrected 13" laptop with an AMOLED screen so I have no idea what my images really look like so I rely on you guys to tell me if it's off the chart over saturated !

It's an argument as old as photography, still raging in all the FB groups I belong to and now we have AI adding to the discussion, sky swaps, composites, as you say IR, false colour etc.

What happened to good old fashioned critique? It used to be that people took it onboard whether they agreed with it or not as it often helped them become better photographers. People don't like that anymore, I see posts (not here of course) where people pre-qualify photos they have taken and say they don't want any comments from anyone being rude or critical of their work.

From my perspective, as long as you captured everything in the photo and processed it yourself then it's all good.




Sep 15, 2023 at 06:19 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
Speaking of walls, I finally got around to having Andy's church photo printed and framed, current hung in my hallway till I get rooms renovated. Couldn't back up enough in the hallway so did a pano



FINALLY !

Those colours really were there btw (about the only sunrise I've ever seen that was worth getting up for.)



Sep 15, 2023 at 06:22 AM
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Thought it only fair I should post a pic of my new additions

The 200/2 mounted on my Fujifilm GFX50S + battery grip with my new 105/1.8 ais and 135/2 ai for company, taken with D850 and 55/3.5 pre-ai macro lens @ f8 1 sec exp. (I don't own any flashes now, or more accurately all my speedlights and studio lights are at my son's in Melbourne in the cage next to his car space in the underground car park at his building).

_DSC0270 by Andy Macdougall, on Flickr

Andy



Sep 15, 2023 at 06:27 AM
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I believe you on the colors.

Way way back, almost 11 years ago when Sandy was smacking the east coast, I got a sunSET with wild colors too. I've also gotten some sunrises, but given my work schedules over the last 11 years, I've usually been awake for sunrises anyhow.

When I was heading down the highway towards the cemetery, it was raining pretty good, but there was this solid yellow line on the horizon. When I pulled into the cul de sac at the cemetery, this was unfolding before my eyes. I rolled down the car window and shot from there. ( It was pretty hard to shoot with my jaw on the ground....

cadman342001 wrote:
FINALLY !

Those colours really were there btw (about the only sunrise I've ever seen that was worth getting up for.)






© NightOwl Cat 2023

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© NightOwl Cat 2023

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Re: Photos as Art or Reality, when we are all viewing on our own screens, at the very least color/saturation/B&W tonality are way too subjective to really critique. Considering differences between the photographer's final editing screen, and the viewer's screen (or screens is more like it), good luck!

I edit on a screen set for AdobeRGB, color spaces in camera, in LR and in PS is set for AdobeRGB, but all exports are to JPEG and color space conversion to sRGB. Somewhere in there I'm pretty sure there's enough room for my errors that I'm not sure it always makes it out to JPEG correctly. Then add in different browser's ability / settings for color correction and ...

Just happy to be here, like Andy and Glen indicated, in a friendly, respectful group.



Sep 15, 2023 at 07:00 AM
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Having talked about color, here's a B&W shot with tones adjusted image to my liking. If you don't like the tones, your screen sucks . If you don't like the shot, well, that's OK too.








Sep 15, 2023 at 07:02 AM
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That's the ticket. BTW, I noticed just after I posted that that spoupard mentioned the same preference before I had. So, it should be a hit with at least two FMers.

cadman342001 wrote:
Here ya go Jim

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53188350684_ba32a27dc0_h.jpgTaupo by Andy Macdougall, on Flickr




Sep 15, 2023 at 08:26 AM
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CGrindahl wrote:
I always enjoy photos through windows with reflections of the background. Very sweet Ray.

I too prefer the black and white version Andy. The color version seems over saturated to me... but then I've never been to that part of the world and perhaps everything there is saturated like that...

I grabbed a shot this morning after doing a bit of shopping. It was a pretty grey day so I converted the image to black and white. Shot with the 135 f/2.8 K AI. The Richmond San Rafael Bridge... In the foreground is a fishing pier.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53188393473_a42f849c76_o.jpg
135.2.8.K.RSRBridge by Curtis Grindahl, on Flickr



Nice capture and post work. If we had that type of bridge around these parts, there would be cars in the water for sure whenever we had ice and snow storms.



Sep 15, 2023 at 08:45 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
Speaking of walls, I finally got around to having Andy's church photo printed and framed, current hung in my hallway till I get rooms renovated. Couldn't back up enough in the hallway so did a pano



Nice frame and nice image by Andy.



Sep 15, 2023 at 08:46 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
I believe you on the colors.

Way way back, almost 11 years ago when Sandy was smacking the east coast, I got a sunSET with wild colors too. I've also gotten some sunrises, but given my work schedules over the last 11 years, I've usually been awake for sunrises anyhow.

When I was heading down the highway towards the cemetery, it was raining pretty good, but there was this solid yellow line on the horizon. When I pulled into the cul de sac at the cemetery, this was unfolding before my eyes. I rolled down the car window and shot
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Zowie! It almost hurts your eyes, in a good way.



Sep 15, 2023 at 08:48 AM
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pbraymond wrote:
Having talked about color, here's a B&W shot with tones adjusted image to my liking. If you don't like the tones, your screen sucks . If you don't like the shot, well, that's OK too.

https://www.pbraymond.com/img/s/v-10/p2608059576-6.jpg


I love these types of images and I like the B&W post work you did. I guess my screen doesn't suck.



Sep 15, 2023 at 08:50 AM
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Castle Island. 28mm f2.

_DSC5746_512 by Regina, on Flickr



Sep 15, 2023 at 01:12 PM
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SWEET combo Andy!

cadman342001 wrote:
Thought it only fair I should post a pic of my new additions

The 200/2 mounted on my Fujifilm GFX50S + battery grip with my new 105/1.8 ais and 135/2 ai for company, taken with D850 and 55/3.5 pre-ai macro lens @ f8 1 sec exp. (I don't own any flashes now, or more accurately all my speedlights and studio lights are at my son's in Melbourne in the cage next to his car space in the underground car park at his building).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53187998547_b8db1f793a_h.jpg_DSC0270 by Andy Macdougall, on Flickr

Andy





Sep 15, 2023 at 01:33 PM
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One of the things I miss about participating on this thread is how wide ranging the conversation can be and how respectful everyone is when discussing differences. One of the things that impressed me over time was the quality of images shared on the thread. When I started this thread it was really to showcase these amazing lenses. I looked at images as means of demonstrating what the lenses are capable of doing. From that perspective it seemed fidelity was the highest value... what would the lens produce in this or that situation. Whether the image was in color or B/W was really not significant, though clearly some of us believed strong graphical features in a scene made stripping out the color a fruitful choice.

I always have felt that we're here less to critique photos than to celebrate lenses. I wouldn't be inclined to randomly assess an image unless asked to do so. When Andy posted both a color and black and white version of an image I expressed a preference. The same holds on the matter of saturation. I understand that a photographer is making myriad decisions with every shot... focal length, framing, depth of field, color. It is a consummately personal choice and certainly a creative expression. There is always room for that when the topic is photography. AND, this thread is rooted in an appreciation for manual focus lenses and the joy of turning the focusing ring. I know it is very much a personal thing... but I'm equally thrilled by Andy's photo of his three lens purchases as I am about his deeply saturated renderings of Australian scenes.

As Laura points out, I rather enjoy watching others shop for Nikon manual focus lenses. You can ALWAYS blame me...



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