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So, I'd been going through the whole "7D or 1D mk III" dilemma. I predominantly shoot hockey, so I decided on the mk III, and picked up the new toy today. It had been back to Canon for the sub-mirror fix, so I figured I was safe.

However, I'd read so many horror stories about the AF issues that I decided to do some tests on the new body today. I dialled in the recommended sports settings (from FM and also the various Canon PDFs), and set the camera up exactly as it should have been.

I then stood at one side of the garden and got my 9 year old daughter to run the length of the garden, and then randomly around, whilst I tracked and shot pics of her with my trusty 70-200 f/2.8.

When I loaded the pics into PS, I was horrified. The vast majority were wildly out of focus, and looked terrible. When I checked, the focus point seemed to be in the right place, so it wasn't operator error, but to make sure that there was nothing wrong with the lens, I put it onto the 1D mk II and took a similar set of pics again at 1//500. This time, the trusty mk II gave a great result, with all but one pic nice & sharp.

I was distraught! Jeez, I'd obviously got one of the notorious junk 1D mk III's.... I was just about to repackage it and send it back for a refund when I looked at the LCD. Yep, the shutter speed was 1/30! I'd concentrated so much on the damned Custom Functions, that I'd accidentally changed the shutter speed right down and not noticed!

Of course, I then set the mk III at 1/500, and shot a sequence of 54 photos, and every one was tack sharp! What a moron!

I guess the moral of the story is: -

1. Don't get too hung up on the horror stories you read on the net. Yes, I'm sure some people had issues with the AF, but I'd pretty much convinced myself that I'd got that issue before the camera arrived, and without even thinking it could be down to my own stupidity.

2. No matter how 'good' or experienced you are, always check the obvious things first! I'm regularly published in National (and occasionally international) newspapers, but still made fool of myself today!

Anyway, now that I've actually managed to set it properly, the mk III is a beaut! It's definitely less noisy than the mk III, and I'm delighted with the 1000 or so photos I've taken with it today.



Jul 31, 2010 at 01:48 PM
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p.1 #2 · New 1D mk III (and my stupidity)


Happy Shooting with it!!!

I'm very pleased with mine. Iso 1600 is acceptable clean and 3200 with little noise reduction also.



Jul 31, 2010 at 02:14 PM
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Tredders wrote:
Anyway, now that I've actually managed to set it properly, the mk III is a beaut! It's definitely less noisy than the mk III,...............


Perhaps some attention to detail would avoid such problems!! Not quite sure of the reason for this thread?

Colin



Jul 31, 2010 at 02:25 PM
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Colin

It was a little self-deprecating humour, and a posting to counter the numerous "problems with 1D mk III AF" postings I've seen. Nothing more. I'm painfully aware that "some attention to detail" would avoid problems in the future. Never mind....

Mark.



Jul 31, 2010 at 02:34 PM
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Colin Key wrote:
Perhaps some attention to detail would avoid such problems!! Not quite sure of the reason for this thread?

Colin


I think he meant the MKII was less noisy, as he compared to it in his post previously, hopefully.

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Jul 31, 2010 at 03:13 PM
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p.1 #6 · New 1D mk III (and my stupidity)


i loved my 1d3.

thanks for posting.

grant



Jul 31, 2010 at 03:13 PM
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p.1 #7 · New 1D mk III (and my stupidity)


Tredders,
Thanks for sharing your story. It made me smile because it is exactly something I would do. (and similar to things I have done obviously). The bright side is the relief you feel after finding out you just had a case of the dreaded HUA.

It was a nice change of pace and well told.




Jul 31, 2010 at 03:14 PM
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Tredders wrote:
I was distraught! Jeez, I'd obviously got one of the notorious junk 1D mk III's.... I was just about to repackage it and send it back for a refund when I looked at the LCD. Yep, the shutter speed was 1/30! I'd concentrated so much on the damned Custom Functions, that I'd accidentally changed the shutter speed right down and not noticed!

Of course, I then set the mk III at 1/500, and shot a sequence of 54 photos, and every one was tack sharp!


Well you must be the only photographer ever to do something like that b/c the rest of crank out frame after gorgeous frame!

Glad you got it working.

Me, otoh, I'm wondering why the hell I spent the money on a 1D3, b/c I am failing to see all of the fuss compared to my 7D...



Jul 31, 2010 at 03:16 PM
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Lance Couture wrote:
Me, otoh, I'm wondering why the hell I spent the money on a 1D3, b/c I am failing to see all of the fuss compared to my 7D...


Hmm, I spent a lot of time deciding between the 1D mk III and the 7D... the 7D would have solved a number of problems for me, i.e. having a more travel friendly camera, with HD movie capabilities. From a specification perspective, it looked pretty close to the mk III, too.

However, coming from a 1D mk II, and predominantly shooting indoor hockey (with crappy lighting!), I leant towards the mk III. Have to say I'm considering selling the 1D mk II and moving to a 7D as a backup / weekend camera though.



Jul 31, 2010 at 03:37 PM
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Tredders wrote:
However, coming from a 1D mk II, and predominantly shooting indoor hockey (with crappy lighting!), I leant towards the mk III. Have to say I'm considering selling the 1D mk II and moving to a 7D as a backup / weekend camera though.



I'm the other way - I bought a 7D to replace my 1D2, and then bought a 1D3 to back up my 7D.

The massive resolution increase alone wins for me.

The only major bonus for me so far about the 1D3 is the AF-point linked spot metering. That is a truly awesome function. Aside from that and build, the 1D3 truly shows its age in every facet to me. I'm debating whether or not I'm even going to keep my 1D3. You'd think that the 1D3 was touched by the hand of God himself with the way people talk about it around here - so misleading. Absolutely *nothing* about the camera has wowed me thus far. I actually prefer the AF system of my 1D2 to that of the 1D3.

That's me though. Ymmv.



Jul 31, 2010 at 04:06 PM
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I'm happy that I replaced my pair of 1DII bodies with a 1DsIII and 1DIII. I can't say that the 1DIII is a lot better than the 1DII. The III produces files that are more similar to the 1DsIII, 5D and 40D that I also shoot, and so PP is more simple, and the higher FPS and MP of the III are often useful. I guess you could say that I bought a 1DIII to go with the 1DsIII that led the way.


Jul 31, 2010 at 06:53 PM
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I Bought the 7D as an affordable backup to the 1d2. Have to admit the new features, better LCD and interface make the 1D2 and 1D3 look very dated. But I'd swap the 7D sensor with the other two in a heart beat.


Aug 01, 2010 at 07:40 AM
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I love my 1D3 as well. It has all the performance I want that my 5D2 was lacking. I don't regret the switch at all.


Aug 01, 2010 at 07:50 AM
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Lance Couture wrote:
You'd think that the 1D3 was touched by the hand of God himself with the way people talk about it around here - so misleading. Absolutely *nothing* about the camera has wowed me thus far. I actually prefer the AF system of my 1D2 to that of the 1D3.

That's me though. Ymmv.


Dump that POS while it is still worth something.

1D2s are plenty and cheap, and the 7D is state of the art, plenty AND relatively cheap.

Ruy



Aug 01, 2010 at 08:21 AM
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rhorta wrote:
Dump that POS while it is still worth something.

1D2s are plenty and cheap, and the 7D is state of the art, plenty AND relatively cheap.

Ruy


That's the thing though, Ruy, I have all three (1D2, 1D3, and 7D) as I am currently transitioning/updating my bodies. I did not say the 1D3 is a PoS, I simply said that, from my point of view, it is a greatly over-hyped piece of equipment. I have not experienced anything about this camera which makes me believe its fanbois.

When I bought my 5D and took a few test pictures, my jaw dropped - it was absolutely everything people made it out to be. The 1D3? Not even close, especially in the context of the 7D. The way the 1D3 advocates talk about it, especially when the bash the 7D, one would think it should put the 7D to shame, which is far, far from the truth.

That's just my opinion, which I actually said as well. I am entitled to that opinion. I'm not being a jerk about anything, so the sarcasm was unrequired.




Aug 01, 2010 at 12:58 PM
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The 1D3 is perhaps the most criticized Canon ever, at least in the digital age, it was a debacle and did much to damage Canon's reputation in the eyes of professional sports shooters. Now it was probably saved in the final year of its product cycle by a last ditch effort by Canon.

The body has now been replaced by the 1D4.

That said there are some happy owners...

Comes the new kid on the block: the 7D, in fact we might say that this is the 1.6x pro body that a lot of people were wishing for.

Canon probably used this body to test some new ideas for its future mid-range AF-system. Full of the latest and greatest gimmicks from Canon.

The 7D and 1D3 are logical competitors in terms of pricing and usage (new vs used).

Is it surprising that the 1D3 will not "blow away" the new kid, with its 3 years of development advantage especially in the light of the 7D's "covert" pro background?

Ruy
PS. if there is one thing I like about my 1D3 it is how similar the files are to my now replaced 5D, apart from the lower res that is.



Aug 01, 2010 at 01:13 PM
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Lance Couture wrote:
That's the thing though, Ruy, I have all three (1D2, 1D3, and 7D) as I am currently transitioning/updating my bodies. I did not say the 1D3 is a PoS, I simply said that, from my point of view, it is a greatly over-hyped piece of equipment. I have not experienced anything about this camera which makes me believe its fanbois.

When I bought my 5D and took a few test pictures, my jaw dropped - it was absolutely everything people made it out to be. The 1D3? Not even close, especially in the context of the 7D. The way the
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Wow, finally someone with some sense!



Aug 01, 2010 at 01:18 PM
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rhorta wrote:
The 1D3 is perhaps the most criticized Canon ever, at least in the digital age, it was a debacle and did much to damage Canon's reputation in the eyes of professional sports shooters. Now it was probably saved in the final year of its product cycle by a last ditch effort by Canon.


With the AF debacle of this body, I'm actually stunned how many people recommend buying one used. It's basically playing Russian Roulette with your cash. Fortunately, I was able to acquire one from a trusted FM'r, and I know for certain the AF is sound (and it hasnt let me down yet). Hell, look at Rob Lynn - the poor guy bought what was purported to be a body with good AF, and he's had it back into Canon twice now?


That said there are some happy owners...


Of course.

Comes the new kid on the block: the 7D, in fact we might say that this is the 1.6x pro body that a lot of people were wishing for.

This is how I view the 7D as well. It is a professional-level crop.

Canon probably used this body to test some new ideas for its future mid-range AF-system. Full of the latest and greatest gimmicks from Canon.

I sure hope is makes its way into the 5D2's successor, as it really is a superb AF system.

Going from the 1D2's 45 point AF system, to the 7D's 19 point zone/point/spot-point AF system, the 1D3's feels seriously handicapped. The 7D's AF system, imo, is absolutely wonderful to use. Body orientation-linked AF points? How cool is that feature, let alone some of the others?!

The 7D and 1D3 are logical competitors in terms of pricing and usage (new vs used).

Agreed, which is why everyone seems to be comparing them.

Is it surprising that the 1D3 will not "blow away" the new kid, with its 3 years of development advantage especially in the light of the 7D's "covert" pro background?


Not at all, which is what gets me about people who show up in these types of threads on a war path to the denigrate the 7D, claiming the 1D3 is so much better, when that is so far from the truth. With the obvious build quality of the 1D3 aside, the performance differences are negligible and I think come down to preference, rather than any massive technical win by either body. For FL-limited shooting, the 7D is the *clear* winner, as the resolution advantage is massive. My point was/is that the "better camera" between these two is *not* night and day, and I clearly said that for *me* I just dont think the 1D3 is as great a camera as everyone seems to think it is, considering that unlike a 7D, you cannot buy one with warranty and your odds of ending up with one with a bummed AF system are a lot greater than that of a new 7D.

PS. if there is one thing I like about my 1D3 it is how similar the files are to my now replaced 5D, apart from the lower res that is.

Yes! I completely agree. That is one thing which I did notice about the 1D3 was the similarity in the files to those from my 5D. In the same breath, I have to agree that the lower res is just an absolute "lose" for me with the 1D3. For day-to-day stuff, its a non-start, but for any of my FL-limited work, well, enter my 7D... I just wish the 1D3 was the same res as my 5D. That would be just about a perfect balance point.

With all of this said though, I am considering selling my 7D/1D3 and nabbing a 1D4 when the prices drop under $4K. I would be ecstatic with a 1D4/5D combo.



Aug 01, 2010 at 02:04 PM
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Tredders wrote:
the mk III is a beaut! It's definitely less noisy than the mk III


Um, how is it less noisy than itself?



Aug 01, 2010 at 02:11 PM
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stanj wrote:
Um, how is it less noisy than itself?


Which is what I said many posts ago!!!

Colin



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