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 p.95 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread | |
philber wrote:
Luka, the difference is, you could end up in an ugly place, where the dslr and M9 are each best at something, and then you really need both at the same time to be sure to have the best setup at hand when you need it....
Philippe, I don't think there is much risk of that though as neither system has any particular advantage in terms of the types of images one can make. The primary difference is in the process of capturing the photo. I have some special lenses for the 5DII that I like a lot but if I bring the DSLR, I have no need of bringing a rangefinder.
carstenw wrote:
Luka, I guess what gets down people's throats is not that you are criticizing a Leica, which is fine as long as it is substantiated, but that you have bought a lens for over 3000 Euro which you aren't even all that enthusiastic about, and then slowly criticize it on each page of this thread, repeatedly.
Carsten, go back through the pages and count how many times I have said something negative about the lens as opposed to positive as opposed to just posting pictures. The vast majority of posts have been just pictures. There have been a total of three posts (of 20+ total) where I have discussed something that I dislike about it and more in which I've pointed out things that I like about it.
Which proves my point: Both you and Dan are overreacting as I've clearly stepped on a nerve. I'm sorry, I had no intentions of annoying you but if you look at it objectively I have really not said many negative things about it. In fact, if you look in the Zeiss thread you'll see that I've 'dissected' and criticized various ZE glass far more ruthlessly and in detail. And that includes lenses that I truly love.
Go ahead, look through the pages and see if I have criticized it repeatedly on each page of this thread.
This lens is a dream for many people, and the rendering is clearly a question of personal taste. Having someone run out and buy it on a whim and then do a kind of slow-mo-moan about it (even if you like some aspects of it, or some photos it makes) just rubs the wrong way.
And what concern of anybody else is if I like or not? The normal reaction I would expect would be a simple statement of disagreement. When I say "I don't like that bokeh", you say "I do" and we move on. It is in fact how other people in the thread have reacted. I find it incomprehensible that somebody would get insulted because I don't like or like my own lens.
There are many people here whose entire kits don't cost 3000 Euro. Personally, I own a fair amount of gear, and earn very good money, yet I would never buy (or keep, once I had tested it) a lens which I wasn't that crazy about, even if it were 50/50, as you seem to be with the 75 Cron, especially one that expensive.
I'm not 50/50 about it. I started 50/50, now I'm more like 80/20 (like/dislike) or perhaps more. At what ratio am I allowed to buy a lens? 90/10 or 99/1?
Of course, the irony is, had I not gotten the lens and criticized some aspect of it based on samples you would be telling me that I had no idea what I was talking about and that I had to try it for myself. So the sum of it is that it's not for me to criticize a Leica lens under any circumstances. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not buying that.
Your preoccupation with buying new is also definitely on the bizarre side. There is so much great equipment out there which you will never experience, like the 50/1, simply because of this. What gives?
I'm not ruling out buying used, just not expensive stuff. It's simple, we have no real used market here in Sweden and the customs and import taxes are atrocious. As an example - I bought a used Rokkor 58/1.2 a while ago in great condition and converted to Canon mount. The seller sold it for $700 - for me the total price after import duties, taxes, shipping etc was close to $1,400. So in effect it's cheaper for me to buy locally and as we have no proper used market, I buy new.
Furthermore as I know the M9 is mostly a mechanical device that may need both lens and camera adjustments I wanted a kit where I had full warranty.
I'm sure I'll get into some old weird used lenses later, just like I did with my Canon system.
I guess what it comes down to is this: there is a sort of unspoken gentleman's agreement that we all buy what we like, and refrain from criticizing too much what other people like, and your buying something you only half-like and proceeding to dissect it walks all over this idea.
Yes, but I'm not criticizing your lens - I'm criticizing *my* lens. I assure you, my feelings won't get hurt by my criticism (which of course is much milder than you imply). The likes/dislikes are all personal and do not apply to anybody who has the lens or who is planning to get the lens or who is dreaming about the lens. How much it costs or if I bought it on a whim or not has zero bearing on anyone else but me. If I wasted my money, my loss. I just can't see what anybody else has to do with that part. Can't you see how completely irrational a resentful sentiment is when it's all just about my personal rendering preferences from my lens that I bought with my own money?
I have by the way found one more Leica lens whose rendering I like - the new 35 Lux ASPH. Lloyd Chambers has a review and the rendering style is just gorgeous. If it wasn't for the extreme price and the fact that you can't get it anywhere these days, I'd get rid of my Zeiss 35/2 (which I'm by the way moderately fond of) in a heartbeat in favor of it.
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There are so many lenses available, and for now, mainly second hand, that it truly is a personal taste as to which lenses suit our style and vision best. If they do not, just move them on 
