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p.717 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Mitch - lovely colors all throughout your set
Rsolti - love that last shot. For some reason it looks different to the rest for me very lovely tones

A pic from the previous trip with M and 35 lux




Jul 30, 2013 at 09:41 AM
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p.717 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Couple of not so quick questions for those who care to read/chime in..

Does any M mount lens come close to the 50APO as far as MTF charts are concern?
Specifically the 75APO, how does it do in comparison?

(Hidden motive, I'm considering the 50APO and or the 50 Noctilux) Just for conversation I'll add, the 75APO has a shallower DOF from .7-1m then the Noctilux from the comparison shots I've taken. Although would lose out against the Noct. at say 2m+. It's the only lens (75APO) thus far that I've had to take the sharpness down from default 25 to 0, since it was so sharp it was distracting. And it produces lovely colors, although it's a bit less contrasty then I'd like. Besides it seems to have less distortion then 50mm lenses. And I already have the 50Lux for low light.


My wife and I had a long debate, I'll spare you the details, but her take was: If she used an M240 her two lenses would be the 50APO and 50Noctilux (she's a fifty lover). Her logic, if you want technical perfection, and are in sunny conditions the 50APO is all you need. If you want dreamy bokeh or a good low light lens, the 50Noctilux is all you need. Reason to have both, one's small and makes a good all around lens, the other one is a night-owl like her (but to heavy for all around use). [she did all the research on her own, honest]
To further her argument, she said a fifty is a 35 if you take two steps back, and a 75 if you take two steps forward. So why buy other focal lengths, changing lenses is just a distraction. (Without opening up a can of worms, let's just say she makes a decent argument.)

It started to get me to seriously think about my lenses. I know that the 75APO get's me the closest to the action as possible, since it's [email protected], though a 50mm can be cropped enough if needed. The only problem I have is with the wides, I'd obviously need something in the 21-28mm range. But I would only use it, when I was damn sure I couldn't walk backwards, since I feel that's easier sometimes then digging into my bag, and switching to my 28cron. For a while I used 21ZE and 50MPZE on all my walks/travels/free-time, unless I needed a candid lens, then I had the 100MPZE (which rarely came with me), and I thought it was an effective setup.

I'm actually curious what you guys think about owning the two mentioned 50mm lenses, over owning multiple lenses close [35/75] in focal length? Money aside of course, but by all means do some math if you want to illustrate point.

Just a conversation, right now, I have no real intention of selling any of my lenses yet. But thought it might be interesting to ask you guys, since it was sure interesting to talk with my "doesn't really have an interest in photography" wife.


Best,
Adam



Jul 30, 2013 at 01:50 PM
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p.717 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Adam I can usually shoot all day with the 50 Nocti, and has your wife says take a few steps back and a few steps forward. This is pretty much all I do when I want to go Nocti for a day, I usually just stop down with it if I need the stops, I pretty much try to shoot 2 or wider w/ND filter so it's nice to have for both worlds

I can pretty much get most of what I need w/21 & 50, but it's sure nice to have the 35 focal needed

Hope this helps

Phil



Jul 30, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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p.717 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I can get by with 28 and 50 only....the 35 is handy for one lens outings, but I pretty much agree with the step back for 35mm view when shooting 50 and step forward for 75mm view. Once you try to get wider than a 35mm view in a 50mm lens shot though it is too different. The angle is totally different with 28mm where simply taking a few steps back gives a totally different perspective

If my option was 35 Lux, 50 Lux and 75 Cron OR 50 Cron APO and 50 Noctilux I take the 50s. The 75 is an excellent lens in a weird spot sitting between the 50 and 90 Crons. Clearly built for the M8

all this 28 talk just forced me to buy a Cron....I'm out of control



Jul 30, 2013 at 02:56 PM
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p.717 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Phil, this is all your fault......

Monochrom with CV 50 Nokton II








Jul 30, 2013 at 03:02 PM
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p.717 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


adamdewilde wrote:
To further her argument, she said a fifty is a 35 if you take two steps back, and a 75 if you take two steps forward.



Adam, I am not sure 50 can replace 35 as FOV change is dramatic enough. (35 might be able to take 50's role temporally, but not other way around.)

If you don't care weight. 50Noxt 0.95 is all you need. It is perfect enough. Otherwise, 28cron +50lux ASPH seems one of best setup for M system. I don;t recommend 90cron simply because of Rangefinder.

With 35lux and 75lux as 2nd setup depend on you mood? you can take 28cron+50lux, 28cron+75lux, 35lux+75lux, or 35lux only.

It is always easy to spend other people's money




Jul 30, 2013 at 03:51 PM
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p.717 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Very nice Ryan, I'm starting to get my B and W fix again

Nice post on last page Mitch, Gary, Ryan, and Rocky!

Glad it's my fault

Phil

Edited on Jul 30, 2013 at 05:46 PM · View previous versions



Jul 30, 2013 at 04:53 PM
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p.717 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Gary Clennan wrote:
Hey Edward. I have not had one image (yet) with banding - even at ISO6400...


Thank you Gary. This confirms my suspicion that banding is very body dependent. My M9 doesn't show any banding either, even when I push iso 2500 by 1 or 2 stops, while others have complained about banding even at iso 2500 or lower. The M240 seems to be similar in this respect.



Jul 30, 2013 at 04:59 PM
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p.717 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I somewhat agree with zhangyue regarding focal lengths. It's not as simple as stepping back. For my style of shooting both 35 and 50 are very important. In fact I can live without the 25 and 85 if I had to but life without the 35 would be impossible, followed closely by the 50.


Jul 30, 2013 at 05:02 PM
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p.717 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Adam - I echo some of the other comments regarding the effective perspective of lenses. I did some testing a while ago and the difference was significant (to me anyway) in perspective of lenses close in FL. I say buy as many lenses as you can!

Ryan - What a cool shot with the MM. Well done!



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p.717 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan, I just realize you got MM until Gary's post.
Congrats



Jul 30, 2013 at 06:23 PM
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p.717 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rirakuma, thank you for your help Very nice shots! Thanks guys!

Ryan, great shots, particularly the one of the umbrella! Congratulations on the M-M Love the last B&W shot
Mitch, nice captures! Favorites are the last two

Adam, if you are a 50FL'er, having both the 50AA and Nocti is no issue, as they are completely different lenses. I have both the 50 Lux, and 50 Nocti f/1.0, and I treat them very differently. The 50 Lux has MFD of 0.7m which is very handy, while the 50 Nocti has a MFD of 1.0m, but is a very different beast.

If you lean towards the 35 FL, then no point of having the 50's, and just have a 75 instead.

It would be an interesting poll to take, as to what lenses people settle with after having the M series for about 6 to 12 months. Initially we want all the lenses, but I found I have settled on a few favorites that suit me now. These are the 24 Lux, 50 Nocti f1.0/50 Lux and 75 Lux. On the M-M, the lenses behave differently, and I am liking the 28 Cron/35 Lux more now. The 75 Cron AA on the M-M is also very good, but plain on the M9P.







Jul 30, 2013 at 07:11 PM
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p.717 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
Phil, this is all your fault......

Monochrom with CV 50 Nokton II

http://www.soltiphotography.com/Landscape/Leica-MM/i-47Jp6FP/0/XL/L1000092-Edit-XL.jpg


^^^^ Now thats what I'm talking about!!!!



Jul 30, 2013 at 08:06 PM
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p.717 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Here are some more in the same series:


No. 16 | Elmarit-21 ASPH

Pak Nam Pran




No. 17 | Elmarit-21 ASPH

Pak Nam Pran




No. 18 | Elmarit-21 ASPH

Pak Nam Pran




No. 19 | Summicron-28

Pak Nam Pran




No. 20 | Summilux-50 pre-ASPH

Pak Nam Pran




No. 21 | Elmarit-21 ASPH

Pak Nam Pran



—Mitch/Pak Nam Pran
Lanka Footsteps [M-Monochrom/Sri Lanka]



Jul 30, 2013 at 08:44 PM
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p.717 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Hope I'm not boring you guy's with kid pics....



Edited on Dec 14, 2016 at 03:27 PM · View previous versions



Jul 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM
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p.717 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Gary Clennan wrote:
Adam - I echo some of the other comments regarding the effective perspective of lenses. I did some testing a while ago and the difference was significant (to me anyway) in perspective of lenses close in FL. I say buy as many lenses as you can!

Ryan - What a cool shot with the MM. Well done!



Gary - Totally agree with you about the "as many lenses as you can" theory. However, my problem is, I do end up buying all the lenses, then I end up selling them off because they sit around (I obviously play favorites).. And honestly this is going to sound crazy, but I think the 35cron-asph made me hate 35mm focal length. I bough the lens, used it a hand full of times, hated it so much, I couldn't wait to get rid of it. Sadly however, the reason I bought it was because I sold off my 35Lux-asph (it was optimized for 1.4 shooting). And the only reason I sold it off, is because I felt it was to close to the 50Lux to warrant keeping both.. Silly mistake, because now I want one back, and I can't find it. The FLE is a good lens, but I like the smoky glowing bokeh of the asph better then the typical bokeh of the FLE.
Anyway to be honest, a different lens for a different job, I'd usually take my 35Lux with me when I was going to an event with friends more then 2-3 people total. Going out with just my wife and I, then the 50Lux seems a better choice.

BTW 1st and 4th shot of the kids, nice!



Jul 30, 2013 at 11:21 PM
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p.717 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
rirakuma, thank you for your help Very nice shots! Thanks guys!

Ryan, great shots, particularly the one of the umbrella! Congratulations on the M-M Love the last B&W shot
Mitch, nice captures! Favorites are the last two

Adam, if you are a 50FL'er, having both the 50AA and Nocti is no issue, as they are completely different lenses. I have both the 50 Lux, and 50 Nocti f/1.0, and I treat them very differently. The 50 Lux has MFD of 0.7m which is very handy, while the 50 Nocti has a MFD of 1.0m, but is a very different beast.

If you lean
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Charles, my wife thanks you, my bank account does not. She actually threatened to abduct my Noctilux if I bought it, but what she doesn't realize is, I would gladly buy the Noctilux to see her shooting again. I think I'm going to start paying attention the the forums.

BTW, don't forget that I mentioned the 28cron really isn't as appealing on a M240, for whatever reason. So there might be more lens shuffling soon.



Jul 30, 2013 at 11:25 PM
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p.717 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
Thank you Gary. This confirms my suspicion that banding is very body dependent. My M9 doesn't show any banding either, even when I push iso 2500 by 1 or 2 stops, while others have complained about banding even at iso 2500 or lower. The M240 seems to be similar in this respect.



No banding for me on my M240, nor was there banding on an M240 I bought for my friend. Nor is there banding on the new M240 sitting in my room waiting for a buyer (I was trigger happy for my wedding, and I put a deposit down at the three biggest Leica dealers in SG, my last order was full-filled three days ago, I've tested the camera and as soon as I get back from my vacations, I'm selling it off, the wife doesn't want it, I already asked).

BTW, on the same note, ALL the M240's I've had in my possession, the startup time to LV and startup time to shoot is 100% card dependent. I got my friend to bring the M240 I sold him to my house, and I did all the testing with the same cards.. The card causes the camera to be slower, not the camera, this is confirmed by 3 M240 cameras, so let's assume this to be a truth. I didn't shoot with the new camera (other then taking a few test shots to check the sensor on low and high ISO), so I didn't test the ISO locking problem, but my friends camera does it ONLY when not in A mode shutter.. I think it's a problem more when you set your own shutter speed, it seems to work fine when you use A shutter for him, but it's "dicy" for me in A mode.

My Battery problem was a one off, I tried that same battery twice more now. And both times it kept the charge. I think maybe the camera got confused, and the battery was full, but the camera "thought" it empty. That or, something fell on the trigger while in the drycab, and I didn't notice.. Though that's most likely not the case.


Nothing else right now I can think of that may be a problem. Other then I still don't have a card that does 1second or less startup. Even with the formatting program Gary mentioned I download and try. Which is weird since I have multiple cards ranging from fastest available to 30mbps slow. But a few top speed cards of different brands are headed my way by Amazon, so I will update ASAP.



Jul 30, 2013 at 11:39 PM
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p.717 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
Adam, I am not sure 50 can replace 35 as FOV change is dramatic enough. (35 might be able to take 50's role temporally, but not other way around.)

If you don't care weight. 50Noxt 0.95 is all you need. It is perfect enough. Otherwise, 28cron +50lux ASPH seems one of best setup for M system. I don;t recommend 90cron simply because of Rangefinder.

With 35lux and 75lux as 2nd setup depend on you mood? you can take 28cron+50lux, 28cron+75lux, 35lux+75lux, or 35lux only.

It is always easy to spend other people's money



Hi,

Agree with you, it's not exactly the same, I've illustrated this point multiple times to my wife, using a zoom lens and walking, both with video and with stills. Her argument is that she actually prefers less clutter in her images, and just prefers the 50 FL over the 35 FL, and because they're so similar, she doesn't feel the need to own both FLs.

I showed her Ron's 21Lux environmental portrait, and she thinks it's neat.. But doesn't want me using my M240 for work, as she said it'll spoil my love for rangefinders. So she rather I get the "cheaper" 21 SEM, and two 50s (but only take one 50 on vacation), so I have what she thinks is a perfect travel set. Her opinion is, when on vacation your in love with your environment and want to take it all in, so the 21 in good. Although when I mentioned the 15mm ZM she commented "to wide". She also said since I have the 28cron I can just stick with that.. Although it might be hard indoors to shoot all that I want to take in.


Anyway, I also agree that 28/50 is a good set and 35/75 is a good set. I always felt that my 90APO was to hard to use on a rangefinder for the types of subjects I shoot. The 75APO is actually great on a rangefinder, so much easier to use then the 90APO.. But if I did have 35/75 combo, the 35 I'd want is my old friend the 35Lux-asph non-fle. And I can't seem to find one at a good price.
Another thing is, if i had the two sets as you suggest, then I'll be back to where I was on the M9p, struggling to figure out which set I wanted to use..



Jul 30, 2013 at 11:55 PM
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p.717 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
I can get by with 28 and 50 only....the 35 is handy for one lens outings, but I pretty much agree with the step back for 35mm view when shooting 50 and step forward for 75mm view. Once you try to get wider than a 35mm view in a 50mm lens shot though it is too different. The angle is totally different with 28mm where simply taking a few steps back gives a totally different perspective

If my option was 35 Lux, 50 Lux and 75 Cron OR 50 Cron APO and 50 Noctilux I take the 50s. The 75 is
...Show more


Ryan - haha, it seems I owe you a coffee then. Yeah, I'm actually considering the 50 APO and Noctilux, but I think I might have a hard time giving up the 50Lux for the two lenses, when you consider the price difference.

It's definitely something I have to give thought to.. But to be honest, I do use the 28/50 combo, whereas I usually leave the 75 at home. I honestly haven't shot enough with the M240 though to really tell.. I think my upcoming vacations will give me a better indication of what I want to do with my lens lineup.


BTW, I like the trees!



Jul 31, 2013 at 12:00 AM
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