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adamdewilde wrote:
Yeah, but things like this take time to get right, once you're use to working a certain way..
Honestly though, I've not found myself in a situation where I could do a direct comparison [M240 vs M9]. Maybe I should borrow an M9 and do some side by side shots (although I'm sure someone on here will beat me to it, as I'm pretty busy the next couple of weeks)..., but then again I've never been good with these things.
Neither have I, and I couldn't get myself to do comparisons tests, so I understand that you're not dying to do that.
zhangyue wrote:
..About M240 color: I totally agree with people here that we need time to get familiar with particular camera. (I am the one always struggling, first with M9 and now with 6D  ) The problem arise because we have our expectation/standard about M240’s file, we want it match M9. (In my case 6D’s file to match D700 or M9) This approach itself may be questionable.
Give or take, M9’s file usually have strong signature, you don’t really need do anything to have that signature. M240 doesn’t have that strong signature; it is more neutral, more like untouched raw file, raw material. You need to be a good chef to cook it well. For people have experience to dealing with different file all the time, they may quickly adjust themselves to get the results they want......Show more →
There is truth in what you say, but up till now this look like an optimistic position, considering what's been coming out of this camera (I know, "early days") and mine is the pessimistic position. Within a year we'll know who's right. For Leica's sake, I hope that you are.
Ron, Jim Kasson joined the discussion in the thread I started on LUF, called
M9 Colors at Night — Best Way to Shoot High ISO?. If you have any questions on the "ISO 600 + push in post" technique, you may want to ask him.
He's said a couple of interesting things (page 5 of the linked thread). One is that "one of the subtleties of "ISO-less" exposure is that not all raw processors push the same way...Lightroom Process Version 2010 works very differently than LR PV 2012. The PV 2010 Exposure control works like the ISO dial on the camera; it applies gain equally to all channels. In that regard, it works like the Exposure adjustment layer in PS...The LR PV 2012 Exposure control attempts to reproduce the soft clipped highlight behavior of film... I like the PV 2012 Exposure algorithm a lot. I have found the color shifts, although a theoretical issue, to be no problem at all in practice. Hard clipping causes its own color shifts, too. I don't like the hard clipping inherent in digital cameras, and always preferred the more forgiving behavior of film cameras, and consider the soft clipping of PV 2012 to be a beneficial sade effect of pushing in post."
Pushing with the M-Monochrom
I asked Jim how pushing might work in with the M-Monochrom in terms of where the breakpoint was between having better IQ from increasing ISO in-comera vs pushing in post, which for the M9 is at ISO 640. His response was, "If it's the same sensor and the only change is the removal of the Color Filter Array, then the ISO where the noise starts to fall off relative to pushing in post should be twice as high [as the M9], since the removal of the CFA makes the sensor twice as efficient at converting photons to electrons. Therefore, I'd expect that the point where you should stop increasing the ISO is 1250...If it's a different sensor, I don't know the answer, since I've never tested -- or even seen -- an M Monochrom."
M-Monochrom users might question the need for shooting ISO 1250 and pushing in post, since the M-Monchrom can produce good images at ISO 5,000 and ISO 10,000. The advantages would the same as for using the "ISO 640 + push in post" technique for the M9, i.e. producing less noise and more dynamic range, applying in post the minimum Exposure increase (the minimum "effective ISO") necessary for the look desired, and eliminating for the night shooting the need to change ISO once it's set at 1250. I'll have to try this when I resume shooting towards the end of next month when I'll be in Paris.
Now for some pictures. The following are all taken in Pak Nam Pran (a fishing village turning to tourism 20 minutes south of Hua Hin) with the Summilux-50 pre-ASPH, whose rendering I like better than that of the current ASPH version. In the past, I've done most of my street photography in B&W and with large depth of field. No 1 illustrates the sort of "Gaugain-type" color that I tried very successfully to get with the Ricoh GXR and the GXR M-Module (although the framing could have been different), while No. 5-6 point to a direction that I would like to go to with some of my pictures.
No. 1
Pak Nam Pran
No. 2
Pak Nam Pran
No. 3
Pak Nam Pran
No. 4
Pak Nam Pran
No. 5
Pak Nam Pran
No. 6
Pak Nam Pran
—Mitch/Pak Nam Pran
Lanka Footsteps [M-Monochrom/Sri Lanka]
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. Also congratulations!!!
