p.3 #3 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
Yakim Peled wrote:
I am very impressed with the results but faced with a buying decision I'd get the Canon, because it has AF. If I could trust myself to reliably MF on moving subjects I'd buy the Rokinon in a heartbeat but alas, I'm not so good at this. Therefore, I'd rather chase the moment rather than chase the focus.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I haven't used the 85L before, but you might be better off getting the canon 85mm f/1.8 if you want fast, reliable AF for moving subjects
p.3 #4 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
I know. I'm sure that for me it would be the best solution which will yield the most keepers. In fact, I'm holding myself not to purchase it. I have too many lenses already.
p.3 #6 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
The 85L CA in the 2nd test is most likely due to the bright high contrast scene, no? The first was shot in subdued light. The focus looks pretty good from here. The Rok holds its own pretty well.
p.3 #7 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
Jason_Thames wrote:
Both lenses are good at actually making great photographs, and for the price the Rok is simply amazing.
I think this is the long and short of it. Whether you have the lens or not, its pretty impressive. Having looked at both now side to side I am pretty confident I could pick out images taken with my 85L but that does not mean they are necessarily better.
p.3 #8 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
Jacob D wrote:
The 85L CA in the 2nd test is most likely due to the bright high contrast scene, no?
I think the point is; the Rokinon shows less CA.
Furthermore, the 85L has the advantage of being stopped down to f1.4, yet the Rokinon (at it's wide open setting) shows less CA and there is little between them with respect to resolution.
Even at twice the price, the Rokinon would remain an incredible bargain.
p.3 #9 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
cogitech wrote:
I think the point is; the Rokinon shows less CA.
Furthermore, the 85L has the advantage of being stopped down to f1.4, yet the Rokinon (at it's wide open setting) shows less CA and there is little between them with respect to resolution.
Even at twice the price, the Rokinon would remain an incredible bargain.
Yea yea, I agree. I wasn't making excuses for the 85L. I thought I read mention of the CA being in part to missed focus... but I haven't had my morning coffee yet.
p.3 #12 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
This excellent test is more proof of what I keep saying: The Rokinon is amazing for the money, but compared to the 85L a little dull / darkish, esp in the OOF areas. It just has less life & "pop."
p.3 #13 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
Cableaddict wrote:
This excellent test is more proof of what I keep saying: The Rokinon is amazing for the money, but compared to the 85L a little dull / darkish, esp in the OOF areas. It just has less life & "pop."
Certainly you are the only one who sees it. That's unfortunate for you.
For the rest of us, it is obvious that any differences are due to exposure. The Rokinon actually appears "brighter" in several of the samples, if you care to look again.
p.3 #15 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
cogitech wrote:
Certainly you are the only one who sees it. That's unfortunate for you.
For the rest of us, it is obvious that any differences are due to exposure. The Rokinon actually appears "brighter" in several of the samples, if you care to look again.
actually, i finally see what he has been talking about after looking through many a sample. i just think it makes the rokinon a better portrait lens. it isn't dark bokeh so much as less local contrast in out of focus regions. out of focus highlights don't stand out as much and distract - there is a much gentler transition from bright to dark out of focus regions. i find this to be preferible and less distracting for portraits. it is the opposite of the traditional zeiss bokeh (which i find horrendous for traditional portraits).
p.3 #16 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
sebboh wrote: there is a much gentler transition from bright to dark out of focus regions. i find this to be preferible and less distracting for portraits. it is the opposite of the traditional zeiss bokeh (which i find horrendous for traditional portraits).
I learnt from this forum that this is called tonal gradation.
p.3 #17 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
cogitech wrote:
Certainly you are the only one who sees it.
No, he isn't. The Canon has more "pop" but is less sharp. I see the same thing when comparing my Zeiss lenses with the Nikkors. They aren't "sharper", but more pleasing to look at.
p.3 #18 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
sebboh wrote:
actually, i finally see what he has been talking about after looking through many a sample. i just think it makes the rokinon a better portrait lens. it isn't dark bokeh so much as less local contrast in out of focus regions. out of focus highlights don't stand out as much and distract - there is a much gentler transition from bright to dark out of focus regions. i find this to be preferible and less distracting for portraits. it is the opposite of the traditional zeiss bokeh (which i find horrendous for traditional portraits).
I can agree with this, but in no way would I consider it "darker" or "duller".
If the exposures were corrected in post, the differences would be negligible, except the smoothness of the Rokinon's bokeh would remain.
p.3 #19 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
Makten wrote:
No, he isn't. The Canon has more "pop" but is less sharp. I see the same thing when comparing my Zeiss lenses with the Nikkors. They aren't "sharper", but more pleasing to look at.
But you aren't calling it dull or dark, are you?
As I said, what you are seeing here can mostly be attributed to exposure differences.
p.3 #20 · UPDATED -- Showdown: Rokinon vs Canon 85's
cogitech wrote:
But you aren't calling it dull or dark, are you?
No, but perhaps a bit less "alive". The highlights are clearly muted.
As I said, what you are seeing here can mostly be attributed to exposure differences.
Maybe to some degree, but there's a difference in tonal range too. Not that I'd ever choose he L over the Rokinon anyway, but I can understand why some people do.
Therefore, I'd rather chase the moment rather than chase the focus. 