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Archive 2010Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
p.2 #1Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
AmbientMike wrote:
Cogitech: Was the 85/1.2 on film?
No. All three lenses were shot on the same 5D.
(I converted the FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical to EOS mount. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/787723/0 )
Cogitech: Was the 85/1.2 on film?
No. All three lenses were shot on the same 5D.
(I converted the FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical to EOS mount. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/787723/0 )
May 11, 2010 at 08:09 PM
p.2 #2Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
AmbientMike wrote:
You might look for one that has a 14 day return or even 7 day tell them you are going to try one and send it back and get a 85/1.8 if you don't like it.
Good tip, thanks.
You might look for one that has a 14 day return or even 7 day tell them you are going to try one and send it back and get a 85/1.8 if you don't like it.
Good tip, thanks.
May 11, 2010 at 08:11 PM
p.2 #3Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
cogitech wrote:
Yes. Get one.
Yes, but get the Maxwell treated (brightened) one, if you can afford it. You'll thanks me later.
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As for the lens, The Rokinon i screamier thatn the canon 85/1.8, for sure, and good ones are quite sharp. I think the Rok also has slightly better 3D than the Canon 1.8 (though not as good as the Canon 1.2)
However, all the Rokinons have a darkish, sort of dull OOF thing happening, which really bugs me. You can see it in countless example pics, all over the internet. Cogitech loves his, but I will never buy this lens for that one reason. Take that FWIW.
Dpic_arctic wrote
The EE-S is the 5D equiv to the EF-S for the 40D, correct?Yes, but get the Maxwell treated (brightened) one, if you can afford it. You'll thanks me later.
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As for the lens, The Rokinon i screamier thatn the canon 85/1.8, for sure, and good ones are quite sharp. I think the Rok also has slightly better 3D than the Canon 1.8 (though not as good as the Canon 1.2)
However, all the Rokinons have a darkish, sort of dull OOF thing happening, which really bugs me. You can see it in countless example pics, all over the internet. Cogitech loves his, but I will never buy this lens for that one reason. Take that FWIW.
May 11, 2010 at 10:30 PM
p.2 #4Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
Dpic_arctic wrote:
The EE-S is the 5D equiv to the EF-S for the 40D, correct?
cogitech wrote:
Yes. Get one.
Cableaddict wrote:
Yes, but get the Maxwell treated (brightened) one, if you can afford it. You'll thanks me later.
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Could you give me a link to the Maxwell treated screen?
The EE-S is the 5D equiv to the EF-S for the 40D, correct?
cogitech wrote:
Yes. Get one.
Cableaddict wrote:
Yes, but get the Maxwell treated (brightened) one, if you can afford it. You'll thanks me later.
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Could you give me a link to the Maxwell treated screen?
May 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM
p.2 #5Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
Bill Maxwell: < [email protected] >
404-244-0095
Maxwell Precision Optics PO Box 33146 Decatur GA 30033-0146 USA
404-244-0095
Maxwell Precision Optics PO Box 33146 Decatur GA 30033-0146 USA
May 11, 2010 at 11:42 PM
p.2 #7Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
The only flaw i can find in the Rokinon is that it is ... hmm.. too perfect? it is so polished it might be judged to lack character, if one calls failures and flaws: character 
May 12, 2010 at 03:50 PM
p.2 #8Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum 
May 12, 2010 at 03:56 PM
p.2 #9Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
debuggerus wrote:
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
Even if the Canon 85mm has almost as many votes, I have not heard anyone make a very convincing argument for it, aside from the fact that it has AF. I think I've made up my mind already.
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
Even if the Canon 85mm has almost as many votes, I have not heard anyone make a very convincing argument for it, aside from the fact that it has AF. I think I've made up my mind already.
May 12, 2010 at 04:11 PM
p.2 #10Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
What do you want to shoot with it? You're getting a lot of biased opinions because of where you asked, even if the poll is different than the notes.
Both are very well regarded. I own the Rokinon and enjoy it, but not having tried canon's own 85/1.8 I can't say which is better. Have you used alt glass before? Doing the whole stop-down thing can get pretty annoying. Just getting a feel
The maxwell coated screens look awful expensive. Sheesh. Granted I have a 5d, but I don't hurt for want of light with my EE-s even on my slow lenses.
Both are very well regarded. I own the Rokinon and enjoy it, but not having tried canon's own 85/1.8 I can't say which is better. Have you used alt glass before? Doing the whole stop-down thing can get pretty annoying. Just getting a feel
The maxwell coated screens look awful expensive. Sheesh. Granted I have a 5d, but I don't hurt for want of light with my EE-s even on my slow lenses.
May 12, 2010 at 04:48 PM
p.2 #11Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
debuggerus wrote:
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
That's just the Rokinon haters out there. The people who spend thousands on Leica glass only to discover this: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8293 or the people who spent way too much on the ZE/ZF 85/1.4 to find that it is like a coke bottle wide open at close distance, or the people who still try to justify that the EF 85/1.2 L is worth 5 or 6 x as much money as the Rokinon... meanwhile plenty of real photographers are managing to get more than their money's worth from the Rokinon http://women-and-dreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/samyang-85mm-f14.html ... https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/597185/318#8449229 ...
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
That's just the Rokinon haters out there. The people who spend thousands on Leica glass only to discover this: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8293 or the people who spent way too much on the ZE/ZF 85/1.4 to find that it is like a coke bottle wide open at close distance, or the people who still try to justify that the EF 85/1.2 L is worth 5 or 6 x as much money as the Rokinon... meanwhile plenty of real photographers are managing to get more than their money's worth from the Rokinon http://women-and-dreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/samyang-85mm-f14.html ... https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/597185/318#8449229 ...
May 12, 2010 at 05:44 PM
p.2 #13Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
Daniel Heineck wrote:
What do you want to shoot with it? You're getting a lot of biased opinions because of where you asked, even if the poll is different than the notes.
Both are very well regarded. I own the Rokinon and enjoy it, but not having tried canon's own 85/1.8 I can't say which is better. Have you used alt glass before? Doing the whole stop-down thing can get pretty annoying. Just getting a feel
The maxwell coated screens look awful expensive. Sheesh. Granted I have a 5d, but I don't hurt for want of light with my EE-s even on my slow...Show more →
No, I haven't extensively used Alt glass before. I'm ready for a challenge though!
Did you find an online site for the Maxwell screens? I sent Bill an e-mail, but I wouldn't mind seeing a page with the screen info (esp. the price).
What do you want to shoot with it? You're getting a lot of biased opinions because of where you asked, even if the poll is different than the notes.
Both are very well regarded. I own the Rokinon and enjoy it, but not having tried canon's own 85/1.8 I can't say which is better. Have you used alt glass before? Doing the whole stop-down thing can get pretty annoying. Just getting a feel
The maxwell coated screens look awful expensive. Sheesh. Granted I have a 5d, but I don't hurt for want of light with my EE-s even on my slow...Show more →
No, I haven't extensively used Alt glass before. I'm ready for a challenge though!
Did you find an online site for the Maxwell screens? I sent Bill an e-mail, but I wouldn't mind seeing a page with the screen info (esp. the price).
May 12, 2010 at 07:22 PM
p.2 #14Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
debuggerus wrote:
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
cogitech wrote:
That's just the Rokinon haters out there. The people who spend thousands on Leica glass only to discover this: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8293 or the people who spent way too much on the ZE/ZF 85/1.4 to find that it is like a coke bottle wide open at close distance, or the people who still try to justify that the EF 85/1.2 L is worth 5 or 6 x as much money as the Rokinon... meanwhile plenty of real photographers are managing to get more than their money's worth from the Rokinon http://women-and-dreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/samyang-85mm-f14.html ... https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/597185/318#8449229 ...
Why is the 85mm f/1.4 sold under so many other names besides Rokinon? Besides the exterior build, is there any difference between those lenses? This has never made any sense to me...
hmm, I am surprise by the poll. I always thought it was a clear cut for the rokinon, especially in this forum
cogitech wrote:
That's just the Rokinon haters out there. The people who spend thousands on Leica glass only to discover this: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8293 or the people who spent way too much on the ZE/ZF 85/1.4 to find that it is like a coke bottle wide open at close distance, or the people who still try to justify that the EF 85/1.2 L is worth 5 or 6 x as much money as the Rokinon... meanwhile plenty of real photographers are managing to get more than their money's worth from the Rokinon http://women-and-dreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/samyang-85mm-f14.html ... https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/597185/318#8449229 ...
Why is the 85mm f/1.4 sold under so many other names besides Rokinon? Besides the exterior build, is there any difference between those lenses? This has never made any sense to me...
May 12, 2010 at 07:25 PM
p.2 #15Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
I have both lenses the 85 1.8 for speed (fantastic AF let's admit it) but the rokinon is just about perfect for a fast manual focus lens.
I don't see why i'd ever crave the 85 1.2 or any other 85 really anymore.
I don't see why i'd ever crave the 85 1.2 or any other 85 really anymore.
May 12, 2010 at 07:39 PM
p.2 #16Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
systemlayers wrote:
I have both lenses the 85 1.8 for speed (fantastic AF let's admit it) but the rokinon is just about perfect for a fast manual focus lens.
Yeah, except for that dark, dull bokeh.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I can't believe it doesn't bother anyone else.
Now, if the lens waere to be used ONLY for portraits, then I might pick the Rok as well, but it's a 1-trick pony.
I have both lenses the 85 1.8 for speed (fantastic AF let's admit it) but the rokinon is just about perfect for a fast manual focus lens.
Yeah, except for that dark, dull bokeh.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I can't believe it doesn't bother anyone else.
Now, if the lens waere to be used ONLY for portraits, then I might pick the Rok as well, but it's a 1-trick pony.
May 12, 2010 at 10:11 PM
p.2 #17Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
What exactly do you mean by dark, dull bokeh?
May 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM
p.2 #18Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
Don't have the costs of the Maxwell screens on the top of my head. I remember a thread a while ago waxing poetic about them. They were in the realm of 3-4x the cost of a regular canon replacement screen. Given the small size of the guy's market, I can understand, but I'm not that rich. When you do get the price sheet back from him, do share, as I could be totally off base.
The samyang/rokinon/vivitar/polar/bower/
goes by so many names for who knows what reason. Deep down inside they're all the same as the optical cell and the inner barrel are identical. I have a rokinon. It's nicely build other than the hood, and I keep meaning to buy a 72mm screw on for it. One of these days...
I'm not sure what Cableaddicts on about dark dull bokeh, but the man has his opinions, even if we disagree on every one of our common lens experience.
You didn't answer the last question--what are you hoping to do with the lens? While this forum is certainly biased, the 85/1.8 has been a workhorse of many a portrait shooter, but also for sports and other uses. It's a great lens as well. Of course, I really like the shots I get with the Rok, so there's that as well.
The samyang/rokinon/vivitar/polar/bower/
goes by so many names for who knows what reason. Deep down inside they're all the same as the optical cell and the inner barrel are identical. I have a rokinon. It's nicely build other than the hood, and I keep meaning to buy a 72mm screw on for it. One of these days...I'm not sure what Cableaddicts on about dark dull bokeh, but the man has his opinions, even if we disagree on every one of our common lens experience.
You didn't answer the last question--what are you hoping to do with the lens? While this forum is certainly biased, the 85/1.8 has been a workhorse of many a portrait shooter, but also for sports and other uses. It's a great lens as well. Of course, I really like the shots I get with the Rok, so there's that as well.
May 13, 2010 at 12:30 AM
p.2 #19Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
Cableaddict wrote:
Yeah, except for that dark, dull bokeh.
I'm guessing you don't like the Sigma 50mm either?
Yeah, except for that dark, dull bokeh.
I'm guessing you don't like the Sigma 50mm either?
May 13, 2010 at 03:21 AM
p.2 #20Canon or Rokinon 85mm?
I'm still looking for the perfect focusing screen for my d700.. :/ One to match my fm..
May 13, 2010 at 04:28 AM